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Nice post @grumpycat, up voted! Cheers

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interesting initiative. i like it, and hope it catches on.

I love that your post

Follow me please

I don't get why you should waste your time with this, using bots is a method of advertisement that should be used as the post is posted but the community overall has decided that a 3.5 day window is still ok for bot votes but most of the people that get flagged by you is for upvoted trash content by hundreds of dollars or people that use bots on the 6th day to rape the reward pool right?

If i had to write a short explanation for them it would be this: Community consensus, the community overall agrees to a certain extend that 3.5 days is the deadline for bot votes and if you are doing bot votes on the last day you are raping the reward pool also your proposal doesn't work because if you reward the people for behaving like they are supposed to but don't punish the people misbehaving, more people will join them in the misbehavior.

Simply put, the proposal is kind of dumb, you will end up rewarding 2 people for good posts but then a few thousand misbehaving users will continue to vote themselves on the 6th day if they see no punishment for their behavior.

Edit: Are they even worth wasting your time on? Grumpy compliance is already pretty easy to follow anyways, its basically an easy guide in how to not be a steemdick.

$steem , good your post beautiful Photography.

I'll answer as founder and developer of Smartsteem.com - biggest vote-selling market with over 3500 sellers and 2nd biggest bid-bot with over 1.4 Million Steempower:

First of all: the post-age limit of 3.5 days was a great change. The only reason some people are against it, is simply out of the fact that they don't like to be told what to do - even if it's for the better.

You want to promote your post for visibility? 3.5 days is more than enough. Afterwards you'd primarily do it for monetary gain

Now - the reason why flagging the users of services and bid-bots which allow posts older than 3.5 days is the only viable way - is because users are less attracted of using those services.

Upvoting users who are doing the right thing by using services which only allow post-age of 3.5 days or less is completely useless as

1.) the amount of users is way higher - which makes the possibility of change a lot more difficult and 2.) the wrongdoers have no reason to change their behaviour and 3.) new users have no reason to avoid these services.

Which altogether would result in not achieving the desired effect of vote-services only accepting posts max. 3.5 days old.

But .. but flagging minnows is wrong?!

Yes. But what good is the word of a man if he goes back on it?

@grumpycat told everyone that he'd downvote anyone who uses services & bid-bots that accept bids & requests for posts that are older than 3.5 days.

Nothing more and nothing less.

And regarding the self-voting: it's his stake and downvoting isn't giving any rewards.

I like your post, beautiful post.

Its good

Ohh i'm much glad and confident to place a comment on @grumpycat's post this time..

"Braintime and voting power cost and results between flagging the wrong doers instead of up-voting the non-wrong doers"

Flagging the wrong doers only leaves one with a tension in the head - trying to scold the bad guys where in fact hundreds are out there doing same, and tens springing forth every days. I get crazy when i try to chase a fly and more are showing up.

However, It's a waste of resources putting a downvote/flag on the bad guy where in fact, same vote is needed to support the good guy. Flagging takes same voting power and same recharge time as putting an up-vote.

The result is simply a fractional effect as it does not stop the activities of the wrong doers since its a decentralised atmosphere and the mentality is that "I'm an investor and so i want a good profit on my investments". Few care about the world around them. They keep waxing stronger rather than culmination. Non-wrong doers struggles to grow. They need it most.

Best way to culminate the bad guys is to give attention for the good guys. Upvoting the non-wrong doers will undoubtedly and indirectly reduce the activities of the counterparts as soon as the bid bots users begin to see the reason for them to quit.

GRUMPYCAT-COMPLIANCE: I'm a grumpycat. I seem to appear complaining too much and get upset easily. I chose to be so because people couldn't see the madness in act of selling votes.

But @grumpycat, do you know that these bots are numerous and are get more delegations daily? This is like a one man trying to invade an alien's planet. This might be suicidal. Rather, concentrate on building a better community where the worth of his power would be felt.

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There are some key principles that have been used to guide the design of Steem. The most important principle is that everyone who contributes to a venture should receive pro-rata ownership, payment or debt from the venture. The second principle is that all forms of capital are equally valuable. This means that those who contribute their scarce time and attention toward producing and curating content for others are just as valuable as those who contribute their scarce cash. This is the sweat equity principle and is a concept that prior cryptocurrencies have often had trouble providing to more than a few dozen individuals. The third principle is that the community produces products to serve its members. This principle is exemplified by credit unions, food co-ops, and health sharing plans, which serve the members of their community rather than sell products or services to people outside the community. The Steem community provides the following services to its members:

A source of curated news and commentary.
A means to get high quality answers to personalized questions.
A stable cryptocurrency pegged to the U.S. dollar.
Free payments.
Jobs providing above services to other members.
Capital Contributions
There are two items a community can offer to attract capital: debt and ownership. Those who buy ownership profit when the community grows but lose if the community shrinks. Those who buy debt are guaranteed a certain amount of interest but do not get to participate in any profits realized by the growth of the community. Both types of capital contributions are valuable to the growth of the community and value of its currency. Additionally there are two ways ownership can be held: liquid and vesting. Vesting ownership makes a long-term commitment and cannot be sold for a minimum period of time. The Steem network calls these different asset classes Steem (STEEM), Steem Power (SP), and Steem Dollars (SBD).

Steem (STEEM)
Steem is the fundamental unit of account on the Steem blockchain. All other tokens derive their value from the value of STEEM. STEEM is a liquid currency, and therefore can be bought or sold on exchanges, as well as transferred to other users as a form of payment.

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Start up companies require long-term capital commitment. Steem wants to build a community that is mostly owned and entirely controlled by those with a long-term perspective. Users are able to commit their STEEM to a thirteen week vesting schedule, providing them with additional benefits within the platform. STEEM that has been committed to a thirteen week vesting schedule is called Steem Power (SP). SP balances are non-transferrable and non-divisible except via the automatically recurring conversion requests. This means that SP cannot be easily traded on cryptocurrency exchanges. When users vote on content, their influence over the distribution of the rewards pool is directly proportional to the amount of SP that they have. Users with more SP have more influence on the distribution of rewards. This means that SP is an access token that grants its holders exclusive powers within the Steem platform. SP holders are also paid interest on the balance of SP that remains vested. 15% of the yearly inflation is paid to SP holders as interest. The amount of the interest that they receive is directly proportional to the amount of SP they hold relative to the total amount of vested SP across all users.
Transferring from STEEM to SP is referred to as ͞powering up͟, while transferring from SP to STEEM is referred to as ͞powering down.͟ SP that is powered down is returned to the user over a period of thirteen weeks, via 13 equal weekly payments, starting one week after the power down is initiated.

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Good

I did not know GrumpyCat was on SteemIt. Following.

its nice, thanks

LOL

Mao was an evil dictator and a mass murder, but he got one thing right:
"Punish one, teach a hundred."
This is what @grumpycat is doing and it works.
Mao didn't say "Reward 100, teach one, " because he knew it won't work.

I support your this proposal. I think it will help community in more better way. I just explained my fears in this post. I ended up my talk with a question on Quality vs Bots war. I hope you will leave me your feedback in this post as it matters alot to me. Lookinng forward to it

I believe that you made a very good summary here!

this is great :)

Grumpy-compliance in simpler terms:
Bending over for an ASSHOLLLEEEEE basic bitch bully with a stolen identity?

Steem economics: YOU ARE LOSING ALL YOUR MONEY DAY BY DAY chumpy cat

Brain-Time: Costs you nothing, because you don't have one.

Voting power: You use it either way, dumb ass.

Results: Either way everyone thinks you are an idiot.

See how easy all that was?

You are nothing but lonely, sad, empty little tiny TOOL.

Way to kiss the bully's ass, nice work. Oh and nice self voting. No irony in that here, at all!

Hey, nice post ! I like your content. Keep up the good work! It's always nice to see good content here on Steemit! Congratulations

Wait...there's an xxxbot?

@stehaller Conditioning with punishments and rewards does not achieve desirable outcome, it has never achieved desirable outcomes and it never will achieve desirable outcomes.

I know that can be a bitter pill swallow, as the saying goes, if the only tool you have is a hammer everything starts to look like a nail.
Its time Steemit users started to develop better tools for developing a better world. If we keep doing what we have always done we will always get what we already have

flagged worthless comment, better do not post, better read the post and then try to contribute to it :)

"A negative punishment in which a positive stimulus is taken away, keep the minnows at bay"?

I like more my flag in your comment
Read the posts atleast if you are going to spam this blog ;)

flagged spammer
take your time to read the blog you spam :)

flagged please add some value when you are commenting, sound like you also did not read the post, just spam here for attention like the others i flagged below :)

this is great :)

what is great?, did you even read the post? :)

I'll answer as a former frequent bot-user. (Now an occasional user)

Starting from the base, @grumpycat, that we are talking about your stake, that it is big but limited, and that you are free to use it as you wish.

• If you flag people who use the bots you don't like, you force the bots to restrict their time limit, in order not to lose clients to the competition. Because, obviously, users will prefer "safer", complying bots to bid to. It has a bigger impact because, in time, fewer people will be using those non-complying bots, so one person you flag will have a big effect because the numbers of them will be smaller every time and so, the chance of getting a flag gets bigger. Less VP necessary, less brain-time, more impact.

• If you reward users who prefer the bots you like, you invite the people to use those bots. But as more people will be using them, because of the invitation, the chances of winning will be getting smaller and smaller. You can't reward everyone! So, you would have to select and curate more every time. And, because the bots that don't adjust their time limit would not be affected, they will still be a majority, and people will still bid on them, along with the others. So, more VP needed, more brain-time, and the impact will be minimum.

Bonus points if able to explain Grumpy-compliance in simpler terms and why it's not always possible to influence vote sellers behavior by flagging them directly.

Grumpy-compliance is a term coined by @grumpycat to define bidbots that restrict the time of the posts they can be used to upvote to 3.5 days max.

If people use bidbots to upvote their own posts on the last minute (Or even the last of the seven days period), they restrict the time the rest of the community have to flag them if they see fit. So, it could be seen as if they get a big bunch of rewards from the pool in an unfair way, no matter the quality of their content.

Grumpy established that, if he flags the bots, the effect will be temporary because the bidbots are constantly getting money (And their owners, as a collective, have far more SP than Grumpycat to recover themselves). But if he flags bidders, the effect will be permanent, because people will prefer to use "safer" bidbots and the rest of the bidbots will be forced to comply because of the competition.

So, he decided to flag users with the best content using non-compliant bidbots, even if they use them within the 3.5 days limit, in order to get the best impact and exposure with the minimum VP and brain-time cost. Which has been controversial, for putting it mildly.

I don't like it a bit, BTW. I think it is unfair and it sucks. But I am forced to admit it is actually working.

flagged for spam and not reading the blog they comment
gentlebot likes to upvote shit comments :)

my $0,00 could not move you to the bottom pit with all the other spammers :)

flagged did not add any value to the topic, pure spam

@grumpycat imho random 'rewards' to a chosen few is a nice idea but will not change a fucking thing. We need to develop a strategy that will work long term.

People say that you have invested a significant amount of your own money into the Steemit platform. If that is true and you do have a personal investment, I would have thought you would want the platform to be successful. Your actions hinder success regardless of your intentions.

If we want to change peoples behavior we need to change our behavior.

Everything people do is an attempt to meet ether a real or perceived need. Even this post by you @grumpycat and my comment are both attempts at meeting needs.

To deal with this problem effectively, we mus first understand what needs ether real or perceived people are trying to meet .
The second step is developing alternative strategies that will assist people with meeting those needs.

Its just not that complicated ! and using gratuitous violence in the form of attacking accounts which are only attempting to meet their needs is counter productive in terms of changing behavior and detrimental to user retention.

lol... pretty much

Fisrt, I think he ( you @grumpycat ) wanted to control this platform from being flooded with none organic commenter and promoter and trying to have a balance and fair system. Not too many bionic but cut those organic aka people who doesn't have the real deal to have their comments to exist in a good contents with reliable informations and genuine articles. In the same time the bionic or the bots are still needed to dig an old hidden treasure to be expose once more because when some old treasure been stacked with millions layers of new articles or datas they tense to be forgotten but still useable as a guide. That is the far best of my understanding about the issue discussed. Please accept my apology if my comment is not related to the topic. _{one ( he / @the-resistance ) says just let it be free no limit or strict the other ( you @grumpycat ) says no! we should put some limit of the freedom if we want to maintain the system so both play the important roles for the Steemers}

Hey @i-zappl-only love your comment, it resonates well with me.
I agree with you, we need the focus of whales to be on developing communities that supports the success of users, not petty attacks and wanton destruction of harmless accounts

Good

Obviously

I can't speak for the person above however I, personally, thought it was great.... primarily because we have two opposing ideas..... and it's obviously causing people to talk. I look at it as a positive. I could be very wrong however. I am new and am still learning. I any case I hope you have a great day. All my love to you and all of yours.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂# THAT'S FUNNY!!! #

Not the same grumpy cat

Wow, seems like that would need a very long and clear explanation. 50 SBD is a good number though so I guess it's not bad to give it a try.

Maybe if initial messaging and approach was less aggressive there would be less drama and goals would be reached? Not sure. But here is the new revised message.

Hey Steemians! I am a big investor in Steem. I think actions by few bid-bot users have been holding the price of Steem down and hurting my stakes. There are some users who are buying votes on the 6th day for super low-quality posts with an intention of taking advantage of this awesome community. The system is set up as last 12 hours are reserved for only downvotes. I don't think that is enough time for the community to react and give a fair evaluation of posts.

Reasonable timeframe to evaluate posts should be 3.5 days. So please, bid-bot owners and operators, implement this change and don't allow the sale of votes past 3.5 days. If you have questions regarding this matter, feel free to ping me on discord or steem.chat.

In case we can't reach an agreement, I will be forced to use my stakes to downvote customers of certain bid-bots that have no interest in protecting my investment in hopes to discourage them from using non-cooperating bid-bots. I think this is the most efficient and economical way to make my point that I am serious about protecting my stakes.

We are all investors here. I am sure we can reach an agreement that will protect all of our stakes, businesses, and make Steem price rise to the Moon.

P.S. Once we all are in agreement and implement these changes I would like to use my stakes to support new and established authors and, various projects on the platform.

Love,
GrumpyCat

Comments like yours is what make this a great place to be!

thought it was great.... primarily because we have two opposing ideas..... and it's obviously causing people to talk. I look at it as a positive. I could be very wrong however.

I think you are right on this :)

Thinking differently is essential to our evolution, also share and care for others :)

There is many to be learn, i am also new and constantly learning :)

Thank you for your comment, nice from your part!

All my love to you and all of yours.

Thank you very much!

hugs and blessings!

Great work,thanks.

Is there not a global blacklist which all bots should use also, markymark them have one and some others I think but, a global one which can be updated in unison would make it all the more effective, if you are not using it then bottracker won't list you so that is a start at not getting visibility for the bots at least. Bottracker can also more visibily mark any non-compliant bots so new users are not tempted by the fuckers , if used then so be it. I vote guitar twat to be first on the global blacklist.

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what about bots start using the same tag?

I don't use any bid bots, personally I think they are one of the things that are killing Steem, you can hardly get any votes now because a lot of people prefer to delegate their SP to these bots and get a guaranteed return without doing anything. But as this is supposed to be a decentralized, free zone I guess these people, both the bidbot owners and the people who delegate are entitled to do it. As for Grumpy Cat yes, I would much rather prefer he up vote people who don't use a bot than flag those who do use it, I have never been a fan of flags.

But instead he decides to be a self imposed bully vigilante who is driving his own stake to the floor with his moronic counterproductive behavior, but I bet he feels like a really big man, in the middle of his poor, lonely life.

I am new, so I do not fully understand the history of how bit-bots managed to become such a detriment to the community, but your comments are on target - individual steemians also have the power to downvote posts or rule-abusers until a better compromise is reached. @fcpway

Why in the hell are ANY of you supporting in any conceivable way, a self elected playground bully who is single handedly bringing some of the worst visibility to this platform I have seen yet.

Would you in any way entertain this guy if he was terrorizing the children on your local playground because they didn't play by his made-up-in-his-fat-head rules?

Are you all losing your minds?

hopefully he quickly realized. because that kissing was a very bad ass ever.

Hehe, Im sure this cat totally tasted like ass too, since he is the hole of one.

Basic bitch playground bully, nothing more, and everyone bending over for him is spineless.

Thank you for the review. I am fairly new, and I am still understanding the steemit framework. Your comments helped me understand the situation better. @fcpway

I got this one buddy

even people who want to bend no longer know how bad the smell of cat's dirty ass. hope they quickly repent sir ...

You have an interesting point, but aren't the 21 non-fouling players compensated indirectly by the deterrence of bit-bots from being so influential and taking advantage of the existing rules? Thank you for helping understand. @fcpway

I don't see a strong argument for limiting the time I should promote my post or upvote my own post for that matter. you're suggesting that people who promote late, are also spammers or putting out shoddy content for profit. If they make profit that way, that's their choice. Who is to say what is shoddy content? The answer is - everyone gets to say. But to allow, encourage and argue for bullying by powerful accounts which don't bother to even manually evaluate the content - merely slap a flag on it based on some vague theory? How can anyone support that approach? This sort of bullying is exactly the culture one wants to work against. To suggest that it is all right to grant a few people the right to limit the choices that other make, it is just disappointing to hear. I can never agree with it.

Steemit allows me to vote on posts until 6 days 11 hours or more. What about self-upvotes on the last day? Of course I can do it too. You can't fight junk appearing on the platform by going about flagging people who choose a business model which you don't agree with. It is just wrong. Let people flag posts as they wish, megalomaniacs included. But people will continue to resist being bullied by hypocrytes who also self-upvote their own spammy comments more often than they curate good content (be that content of their own or by others).

I am very disappointed to see steemmarket supporting such a weak idea as bullying. You guys have a whitelist, you evaluate the quality of content. These are good things to do. I hope to see you standing up against this sort of abuse or working against the problems of trending trash in meaningful, constructive ways; not this kjind of self-agrandizement by a tyrant.

,,

Stop delegating votes to bots.
Stop this process, and the issue disappears.
@fcpway

P.S.S. Once goal is reached, innocent victims of my grumpy measures to protect my stakes/interests will be compensated with handsome upvotes.

Cheers,
GrumpyCat

^ You just copy and pasted a rediculous amount of information that has nothing to do with @grumpycat's post.

Honestly @grumpycat it's posts like this one above, the blurry flower photos, and the replies to your post that say " nice photos" and good work that are just as much of a problem. I would rather have good content promoted early or late and would rather get rid of this other pointless crap that led me away from other networks.
You have a lot of voting power and the freedom to use it as you like but you are enforcing uofficial rules, one could possibly go as far as to say you are creating rules where there are none. If it were against the rules to upvote a post after 3.5 days then they would program it that way, if buying upvotes were against the rules (part of me wishes it was) then it would be banned. All that being said my argument also supports your right to vote as you wish and for what you like and don't like, but you were not elected sheriff of steemit. You are quit famous on here. I'm not sure for the right reasons.

yeah, all the people supporting him here don't know that just this week, chumpyass flagged a widow, a zero day newbie in introduce yourself, and stole from a charity that feeds orphans and disadvantaged people around the world.

But all hail to the playground bully asshole chumpycat with the unimaginative stolen trademark for a name. Pathetic little piece of feces that he is.

Hows that $1000 a day self-upvote reward pool raping habit going, ass cat?

Stay off the endless drugs, do you have ANY idea who this is, what this about or where you are right now?

lol that is not what the revised message said.

I honestly thought this was over. Why is this not over?

Okay i will give it a shot.

Brain-time cost: @grumpycat is too lazy to be nice.

Voting power cost: @grumpycat spends a lot of time measuring his downvotes in order to give him the best selfvotes. He likes masturbating in public.

Results: He is right in that people remember punishment more than nourishment. His current flag campaign would end if bots were set to reject posts after 3.5 days. As there would be no infractions. Except he wont be satisfied with that. Why? Clearly @grumpycat is very bored and lonely not to mention a work aholic? Idk.

Heres my idea/solution: ;)

Give me your delegation. I will try out the positive rewards campaign and send you 80% of the curation profits. I will upvote 10 posts per day of verified and active users. This will most likely include many of the people you flagged. If you give me a weekly theme i will uovote as per your theme and send you your cut at the end of every week. Or, you can setup a proxy and i will upvote through posting keys and not handle money at all. If you appreciate my efforts, you can reward me. Test it for a month. See if bidbot misuse goes down.

Otherwise, be a good kitty wont you?

Arent we doing everything for monetary gain??

NO NO

Finally @grumpycat did something great!! Good work @grumpycat. Gc followed the whole report and look he started a bounty, rewarding users.

Amazing work #Resist, finally Gc complied with Resist bounty proposal. Nice work everyone at Resist. Nice work @grumpycat. Good to see that every side is using their intelligence and bringing a change. Hats off to you @grumpycat!!

Love

Thank you for the support and upvotes! much appreciated! :)

I was depleted from so much voting, didn't realize, so I couldn't bring that last one down after all. But I gave it a shot. Good for you, for not being scared to do the right things at just rep 46. Good job!

SirCork - Witness #65

nice idea, @ grumpycat

For me, bots are not worth of my time and money. Though I dont have money to buy one nor I dont want to use any in the future. Why bother using these bots if you can do it on your own. Dont be lazy! Get those fingers moving, plus its a good hand exercise. Read posts, comment a few to connect and maybe push the upvote button.

Manual connection is never a problem. Its the norm.

I like the old fashion way of socializing and being part of the community. You will know who cares, who truly reach out and find a friend in the making.

Life is just simple, let us not complicate it.

My two cents for the matter.

Good day everyone!

This is really a huge kisses..

Can u help me... Give me some advise... How can i make my post more nice

What a proposal

I voted your post

To start flags are used to redistribute the rewards in the pool.
The compliance protocol is to prevent people plagiarising and @ 6.5 days buying a huge vote to maximize the profitability and minimizing the loss from receiving flags.
Also, when Rep is above 65 no matter how hard you flag them, until the Rep is lower than 65 the post and/or comment is visible.
The anchor tag is the main topic and the other 4 are generally other subtopics covered in the article.

Now we dive into why this also won't work.

• You are not the master.
• You can make stupid suggestions it is your right.
• $50 in STEEM? Where's your supporting data on why that amount is accurate?

I can have many articles that I may want to post all on the same day. I could have ten or more posts that I can work on and I've been writing over twenty years and I can spend days on it. And there is no way to know how many different things that can be posted on the same day. I love writing about politics, religion, science, education, entertainment, technology, Bitcoin, cats, travel, my time in Vietnam, gardening, history, video games, films, videos, photos, comedy, and more, hehe. Thanks for sharing, hehe. I'm Oatmeal Joey Arnold. You can call me Joey.

Agreed, who to say what is what, be it spam or not, be it quality posts or not, be it ads or not, be it good or not, be it free speech or not, be it hate speech or not, be it this thing or that thing, etc, like you are saying, I agree, it depends on the systems we want more so, be it mob-ruling democracies or not, be it constitutional, representative, republics or not, be it a voting system which is what Steemit has it seems in some ways or to some extent, and we the people can maybe decide, maybe through voting, together, maybe, what we like and dislike, and that is capitalism, and free speech includes hate speech and spam and ads and bots and many things as included in the generalization of it all and spam can be defined differently by different people too of course. Let the free markets decide. If you like something, upvote it. That is what I do. And I may become a big whale someday. That is capitalism. Some can downvote too but I don't flag. I just upvote and stuff. Thanks for sharing, hehe. I'm Oatmeal Joey Arnold. You can call me Joey.

Nice to know you, Joey. It all seems so simple to me. Ad decentralised systems are all about leaving every person the rights - preventing centralised control. This argument about keeping spam etc out sounds a lot like the argument of stripping our rights to privacy and other freedoms, in the name of the fight against terror. These trolls have to be nipped in the bud and only collective awareness and resistance will end it all.

Remain vigilant. Keep our eyes on the ball, even when we organise, lest those tendencies find their way into our own efforts as well.

Reply to this comment if you want me to resteem your last blog post to my 10000+ followers. Then whenever you make a new blog post that you want me to resteem go to my Comments and reply to any of my comments on other steemians blog posts. Please upvote my comment after I resteem your blog post. @Crisdevilgamer

What does this have to do with flagging a bot-vote after 3.5 days?

I think you should flag all the bots, vote selling is reward pool rape.
It only came about after @dan got ran off, he knew what would happen, that is why he put the n2 in the code in the first place.
What he failed to do was put a 100mv soft limit in place to make the game attractive to the average users.
I think you should downvote everybody that gets a delegation of more than 100mv because 93% of newbs tell us to get bent over the whales sucking up all the rewards.

Anybody with more than 100mv in stake are going to be best served by making the game attractive to minnows so that we can get the millions to put in 100usd each.
Whether that is downvoting the rapists or abstaining from voting to avoid overwhelming the minnows in the vote pool math.
It is up to the whales to make the game attractive to the many.
When the masses park their paychecks in steem before paying their bills the whales will be in a position to not crash the price by selling.

That isnt going to happen with 800k former users telling their friends not to bother with steem because only the insiders stand a chance at getting rewards.
93% of new users tell us to get bent because 10 voters decide where 30% of the rewards go day after day after day.
Can you downvote the top 50 most powerful voters, too?
When the top 10 out of 65k daily users decide where 30% of rewards go that is not the recipe for mass adoption, as demonstrated by the 800k dead accounts.

Promoting useless content with bidbot and making money is always unwanted. In our society we need police station and army for our own protection from corruption. @grumpycat is like a police officer in Steemit Community. People will fear for being flagged by @grumpycat and
because of @grumpycat they never attempt to use bidbot for their useless content.

Oh its amazing competition I also join this

Hi

oh, he likes to do that to the big guys, just read through here:
https://steemit.com/buildteam/@buildteam/buildteam-high-performance-rpc-full-node-cluster#@isnochys/re-buildteam-buildteam-high-performance-rpc-full-node-cluster-20180406t091603672z

Even though I don't agree with all of his methods - at least he seems to prefer thinking longterm and tries to enforce changes he thinks will be beneficial longterm. Others just don't give a fuck, delegate to those bots and go for max short-term profits. Guess what group of whales I prefer to have ;)

Your comment makes you look little and sad - not OP ;)

about the widow - How would he know that she is a widow? For him she is a bidbot user.
Authentic zero day newbies do not use bidbots, and there is an even smaller chance for them to use bidbots that he prohibits.
On your charity post - You used the charity account to flag him.

Since the main approach seems to be to stop the draining of the reward pool by people using voting-bots for pure profit instead of getting visibility (the noble use-case for votebots in the eyes of many), upvoting the ones who don't use them is not helping the problem in any way.

Flagging those who use bid-bots solely to drain the reward pool will give money back into the reward pool. Rewarding others for not using the bots will not put money back it the reward pool - but even take more money out of it.

Rewarding others will also not stop the abusers! - Why would it? I won't stop robbing a bank just because the bank starts to give money to homeless who beg for it as well.

Of course it also takes way more brain-power to manually curate good content than to flag the use of abusive stuff following a simple but effective script. And it's also more fair - the script most likely works on a random basis - manual curation would be biased by Grumpie's personal opinion.

Summed up, I think the proposal to upvote others is completely useless for accomplishing what @grumpycat wants to accomplish. Giving away money to some non-criminals will also not stop thieves from stealing in the real world. Why would it?

In the end, upvoting others instead of flagging would even have the reverse effect since more people would be using the abuse-usable-services again if they don't fear the flaggs.

You want to promote your post for visibility? 3.5 days is more than enough. Afterwards you'd primarily do it for monetary gain.

And regarding the self-voting: it's his stake and downvoting isn't giving any rewards.

Minnows self voting isn't giving much of any rewards either. When they buy votes, they are doing so with their stake. The vote sellers, likewise, are also using their stake. I wouldn't be surprised if grumpy cat was a vote seller himself, or a group of them. That would explain his incentive.

The fact of the matter is, grumpy often upvotes himself on the last day. If you're saying that's ok, then minnows doing the same is also ok. In fact, minnows buying votes are also taking on risk which he is not.

Additionally, being a capitulating service, you have a vested interest in supporting his activities. By strongarming customers, he is decreasing your competition.

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You are right about the content on here. Everyone should have a right to say what they want. However, everyone else has the right to agree or disagree with it. I tend to take a logical leaning, and here is the rub: if a flag is considered censorship, then a vote must be considered permission. The opposite of voting is not refraining from voting. It is flagging.

The fact is, the powerful and wealthy have always been in charge of media and communication. Steemit, regardless of its hands-off approach to content, is not going to be any different in this regard. Who gets to decide what trends and what doesn't on this platform? Stripped down, this would be the powerful and wealthy.

If the most influential people on steemit thought spam was cool, then we'd see a lot more of it. If they thought it wasn't, then it would get voted off the island. Here, it appears to be somewhere in the middle.

In the case of bot-votes, trending is a purchased conglomeration of votes meant to mimic the wealthy. And this is a middle ground that levels the playing field somewhat. However, the more powerful users can (and will) determine how these play out. They could just as easily downvote all bot votes. And they don't, largely because some of them are the ones profiting from them in the long run, partly because some of them believe these are a great boost for minnows.

Simply put, the ones who decide what trends and doesn't, whether it's in the news, on the radio, on social media, or on this blockchain--are the powerful and wealthy, with few outliers. But this is the most common human social construct.

In the case of downvoting a post from a bot-vote over 3.5 days, these are the rules someone with power made up, for reasons they believe are meant to shape the platform in a positive way. Take it or leave it. Or fight it. But those are the rules. You know the risks and so does everyone else. When you are wealthy and powerful, you can decide what the rules are. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying, that's how it is.

On another capitalist note, if we were to take an Atlas Shrugged approach and allow spam and crappy content take all the rewards and trend, then this platform would self-obliterate on its own and it would need no help from whales.

The only reason spammers have any ounce of life at all on here is because there is good content and good investment into this community to begin with. If all of the good guys left, the spammers and greedy self-perpetuating whales would be like leaches sucking scum off the bottom of a dried up lake.

I am just saying, actions like a @grumpycat downvoate, as unpopular as they may seem, do theoretically prolong the life and sustainability of the platform. From an investment standpoint, bot-votes longer than 3.5 days old are fiscally and statistically detrimental to the platform, due to the nature of the bids they tend to engender, the content they regularly promote, and the bad humor they create in new users.

The overwhelming number of users who swoop in on the 11th hour of day 6 to win the bid on poorly written and promotional posts are just as guilty of pilfering as another user is of downvoting their pilfer. Their bids 1) do nothing for the life and sustainability of the platform, 2) take advantage of unsuspecting new users who otherwise think their bot bid is worth something, 3) and their content and disingenuous behavior degrade the value of STEEM.

But other than that, they're fantastic. :0)

That's kinda what I thought too.

as founder and developer of Smartsteem.com - biggest vote-selling market with over 3500 sellers and 2nd biggest bid-bot with over 2.4 Million Steempower...

....I am the 2nd biggest reason for the utter shite that clogs the Trending pages of Steemit?

well to. answer you questions in two sentences i wil say
1,Grumpycat wanted everyone to obey the reward system but everyone wants to reap it amd disobey.

2 grumpycat tries his best to make them comply to the steem reward rule but his self vote is raping also the reward pool and guilty as charge

so every one has sinned against the steem blockchain, we all sinners

this is fking awesome! :D

These guys are clearly clueless and not worth any more time.

@sneaky-ninja cannot program their bot to 3.5 days, or stop it being used for voting dmania content.

It's not that they don't want to, they just don't know how to.

Assuming @the-resistance are the same people, I don't think any explanation of how returning ill-gotten rewards to the pool is better for 99.99% of us than throwing out 50's to one person is going to make sense to them.

@sneaky-ninja - Fix your shit or hire someone to do so. YOU are the reason minnows are being punished.

I guess those 44 times you bought votes from @smartmarket were just a coincidence.

@abh12345, you've just lost all my respect to you.

I'm not proud about the current status of trending and I'm doing my best to change that, even though the problem is a fundamental one of how trending works, but that you are such a little bitch for using my service while at the same time talking trash about it - that I wouldn't have guessed.

Yah, I think that just about sums it up.

Look at the size of my bids. I don't abuse your bot, or any other bot. Did you ever see me on Trending?

How anyone would ever vote a bid-bot owner who calls other witnesses 'little bitches' as witness is beyond me.

This is the 3rd time I will ask you this question:

What would Steemit look like if everyone chose to delegate their stake to a bid-bot?

That's exactly the point. Grumpycat doesn't know who he was downvoting. Maybe to some, bidding to bots is just for promoting their posts, but for most minnows, our main purpose is to profit because we need it personally. Not everyone knows his rules. He might have posted about his own rules many times, but not all of us are his followers. Most people here dont know. It would be acceptable if he would give a warning first, than downvoting someone right away. That's harsh and unfair.

I guess those 44 times you bought votes from @smartmarket were just a coincidence.

That's 44 standard – not just double standard. :)

@abh12345

What would Steemit look like if everyone chose to delegate their stake to a bid-bot?

I don't see the point of answering a question which is completely ridiculous and purely made to shine a bad light on smartsteem's business model.

Look at the size of my bids. I don't abuse your bot, or any other bot. Did you ever see me on Trending?

You've been passive aggressive against Smartsteem ever since - but if you believe that something is fundamentally wrong as in 2nd biggest reason for the utter shite that clogs the Trending pages of Steemit? - then don't use it.

How anyone would ever vote a bid-bot owner who calls other witnesses 'little bitches' as witness is beyond me.

1.) I'm not a bid-bot owner - I'm a developer who believes in the importance of giving users the ability to promote their content while also making sure that abuse is stopped.
2.) I called you little-bitch, because that's what backstabbing people are to me. Again: don't use my service for over 2 months at least 44 times while telling people how bad it is for Steemit and how I shouldn't be voted for as witness.

And to make one thing clear: Smartsteem is clearly not the last thing I'll develop for Steem. The knowledge I gained through developing Smartsteem the last half a year is more than enough to develop something even more beneficial for Steem.

3.) So you're a witness now as well? Otherwise your statement doesn't make any sense.

There's a difference between recognizing a problem and simply being an arrogant prick.

I couldn't agree more

Agree with all that you wrote.
I oppose grumpycat's rules.
Spammers should be punished in the most extreme measures possible, but bidbots should not be limited to less than 6 days.
Even if I thought they should be limited, I would not have acted in a similar way, and would not have downvoted good posts just to apply indirect pressure on bidbot owners while victimizing good content creators.
If anything he wastes VP that could be used to fight scammers and spammers.
This rule is not any better than a prohibition of self votes.
I do not agree with him, I just had answers for sircork.
Regarding a warning first, my remark for you is it will require grumpycat to implement a database for warned users.
Doable, but it costs.

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

If he can make a 'Congratulations, you're a winner!' comment, then downvote, he can simply change it to a 'Warning'. But if a person is close-minded, no matter how understandable a proposal is, he can't accept it.😞

Your bottom dog is licking cat's ass.

@sircork
Self-vote was simply to highlight the comment.

And since you can't bring a solid argument, you have to insult me. ok.

should you join @the-resistance to fight the bullies. do not support cats that rob orphan gifts. if you are given a gift by the cat then you have been eating the gift of robbery. you should be ashamed of it

Simple terms? Games theory:

If platform abusers doesn't have any punish for wrong-doing in the system, their incentive will be to keep abusing it, generating a small pool of winners and a big ocean of losers (in this case, the entire platform).

Overpromoted (overpaid) content that brings no value, must be flagged by the ENTIRE community, not just by the grumpy cat.

And lets be honest, he is funny.
D.

The great post, I think it is a good trick
I still study about steem bounty

Why is my question 'completely ridiculous'? This is an option for everyone to do right now, today.

If an honest answer from you would 'shine a bad light on smartsteem's business model', what does that then tell you deep down?

As you own/manage/develop the 2nd largest bid-bot, then it is reasonable to suggest this bot is the 2nd biggest promoter of content to the Trending pages.

Who owns smartsteem/smartmarket? For simplicity, 'we' call them bid-bots, and not tools of 'a developer who believes in the importance of giving users the ability to promote their content while also making sure that abuse is stopped'.

I called you little-bitch, because that's what backstabbing people are to me.

How am I backstabbing you? This conversation is here for all to see, and soon it will be going out wider than just this thread. I have been 100% open and honest with you since thejohalfiles sold his stake to your service.

...telling people how I shouldn't be voted for as witness.

I have not yet told a single person that you shouldn't be voted as a witness. However, due to your remarks today I cannot promise this will always be the case.

It was an honour to be one of the first accounts on your Whitelist, and with a top '3 star' rating. Back then, the bid-bots were not draining the rewards pool so much. Things have changed now, manual curation has dropped off the charts, and low quality content rules the roost.

You can read the rest of my reply here:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@abh12345/what-would-steemit-look-like-if-everyone-chose-to-delegate-their-stake-to-a-bid-bot

Pretty much cool if they could see that.

In the real world I totally agree. But here too many people are gaming the system, which hurts the long time growth perspectives of this platform
I wish there would be another way to stop people gaming the system, but I don’t see another way.

Im the beginner of the steemit and i enjoy the post upvote likes and comments replyetc all.
Thanks for the post god bless you

Flaging posts is nothing, better report them in "steemabuse", in one-two weeks you will earn some SP. From there i earn more of my SP.

hello, soy nueva me puedes apoyar con mis post, soy nueva, gracias

Neglecting the abusers will only increase the amount of spam and trash here. As if there was any scarcity of abusers that to neglect them and let them freely abuse the system, thus motivating more and more people to join abusers as there will be no action against them.

It will lead to total chaos.

No you are here to fall in line with those who have existed here long enough to believe their own bullshit that their rules is what you should obey. BUT.. only you and those at your level.

The ones higher up and with enough SP ... set different rules for themselves.

Steemit has a long future......

LOL humans attacking each other rather than dealing with the fundamental problem...

Yeah, this will end well.

WHY THE FUCK don't you witnesses all team up and downvote the motherfucker into oblivion then??

If it is only ONE INDIVUDUAL that is doing such a thing... how is it that you higher ups don't work together to mute the actions of ONE INDIVIDUAL.

This is why steemit is a joke to outsiders...
Individuals like grumpy reign havok unto others and it goes on and on....

This post shows CLEARY that steemit is RACISTS.
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@deguerido/hello-steemians-i-am-deguerido-henderson-and-i-am-going-to-introduce-myself

How do you think that looks from the outside.
This is a serious issue that any real company would have made sure to take action on... yet no one gives a fuck about them because they don't really represent the money. The TRUTH is there though.
RACISM is also the drive behind the campaign against haejin.

Take a look at statistics for steemit.
You will se a HUGE decline from South Korea.
A region that even ned was grateful for and acknowledged as the bulk of users.
Bernie and his antics ran most of them out of here though...

APPICS is now positioning to take the Korean attention...
The rise of users from India and Venezuela show that steemit (and Appics) is going to get VERY MORE BROWN soon.... watch how that goes if the RACISM is not dealt with.

Why all you fuckers with high SP all sit quietly and do nothing?
Yeah you are doing something here but it's meaningless if you are not influencing others to follow your lead.

Steemit is a fucken joke.

Communities won't do shit to fix it.
SMTs look like they won't even become a reality.... this millennia!

Other platforms are just around the corner...
This place will not survive if it doesn't change.

The posts on the trending page upvoted by bidbots don't deserve to be there!

That's what the real problem is, most of the people think that the low-quality posts dominate the trending page and they don't deserve to be there.

So, instead of concentrating on all the users, how about you concentrate on the users bidding for big upvotes?

I mean nobody cares about if anyone gets 1$ upvote from any bid bot( small abusers can be handled easily by making guidelines and rules, blacklisting) but the ones who make it to the trending or hot page, everyone has got eyes on them, and it is your service that will be held responsible for taking them to the top of hot/trending level.

So if you check all the users who bid big( which would be about 1 or 2 in every 2.4 hours, that makes a maximum of 10-12 posts a day), you can considerably improve the quality of posts upvoted by your service that makes it to the trending page

Everyone downvotes trending posts upvoted by bid bots because of its mediocre quality, that results in loss of the users and gains hate for your services. But if the quality of the posts is good, people will upvote the posts, it will be beneficial for both the user and your services. The scenario will be completely opposite to the current one.

The whole thing depends upon how inclined you are to find a solution to improve the quality of posts upvoted by your service. That will help everyone, the investors, users. And more people will support the users in future if their post quality is good, that makes a long-term benefit for the user for the one-time investment, rendering your services more useful.

In the end, I believe that this is quite an opportunity for your service to make this a better place not just for the content creators, but for content absorbers too, as of now, most people create content, very few read it.

Please explain to me how people accumulating Steem and making money can possibly be bad for the platform.

From my perspective violently attacking peoples ability to be successful and earn is what causes harm to the platform.

We all have our personal biases and preferences, I do not like the fact that we have people selling votes. However I do recognize the fact that those buying votes are only trying to meet a need that we all share. Attacking those people can only be counter productive and discourage engagement on the platform.

If we want to see a change in behavior regarding the buying and selling of votes we need to support the creation of other pathways for people to generate the income they are seeking. Its a need we all share.
Its about meeting needs not punishments and rewards.
imho this place is better seen as a gift economy. Its time to let go of our old conditioned responses and adopt responses that create a better world as opposed to more of the same corruption, violence and duplicity.

there people who publish their post and no one gives votes no one is for anyone, everyone is on their side do not help anyone

Sho, controversial, but at times it is what is needed and thereafter some humour...how about a little humour folks?

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Thank you, but before judging someone, do some research to make your judgment fair

Indeed I hope this war will be over one day. Love this Pic, nice work :)

Now I am confused! How many Grumpy Cats are there?!

Seriously it is a very complicated topic. i am observing these wars from the beginning, but as I am new here dont have really much to say. Some things are right and wrong in the same time. But I hope that these wars come to an end soon. They effect the reputation of the platform and make many newbies confused. Somehow I feel that the rich people are getting richer and the Minnows not getting any chance here :(

Apparently you are not very aware of how things work here.

Indeed I did, because I used all my accounts to flag him, but it was only a matter of "theater" given that he and his sock-puppets have around 300K in their combined wallets, not too many users can touch that in terms of damaging him. It was simply a protest flag. Since he has been robbing the charity posts of many users raising funds for @YouAreHOPE

Regardless of what I did. Any of you supporting the idea of self-elected bullies on this platform, and abiding by his arbitrary, hypocritical rules, don't really have to much going on in the way of critical thinking skills, in my humble opinion.

The solid argument is that you are supporting the concept of "warlords" and self-elected arbitrary and hypocritical assholes. Not a real impressive look for a witness on a decentralized chain. Looks to me like you support the idea of centralizing control to a random cat with an unimaginative stolen identity that upvotes himself for around a grand a day out of the reward pool, while making sociopathic random flags on innocent users, who basically, are operating within the confines of "code is law" here, and not breaking any chain rules.

So either admit you are largely responsible for enabling the bot owners and contributing to the shit that is the trending page by doing so, or take a look within at your motivations for defending a basic bitch playground bully.

Kissing the bully's ass so he won't target you as the enabler of bot owners is a valid argument. And you cannot defend it, so you whine about being insulted. Thicken your skin and defend your position maybe?

Hehe, now that I have caught up on the other commentary here, it looks like most people agree, little wolf, that you are pretty much not getting the public opinion you sought.

Because obvious things are obvious.

10,000+ followers?

No way. Users facing arbitrary attacks from heavily armed terrorists (a grumpycat with a fat wallet is a "gun" here) will not use this platform.

In no way is basic bitch playground bullying for ANY reason acceptable, and will not in ANY way , "prolong the platform"

now I know that you don't want it to end in a way that people will remember it as a service that supported abusers. A service hated by a lot of people.

and yet here we are...

Watch your words!

I've used your page and bots periodically for various reasons, so don't bother to go look.

But you do need to answer the question, rather than evade it.

Is that a threat? Please let that be a threat, that would make a fantastic post, all about how a top witness is colluding with a bully and threatening other witnesses or calling them little bitches.

Observe, everyone, the bot enabler and cat colluder downvoting truthful comments that expose the truth about him.

Weak. So incredibly weak.

I'm pretty sure @michaeldavid has the ability to program @sneaky-ninja to 3.5 days. I just don't see him doing so since he is all into the @the-resistance movement now. I don't see him complying with @grumpycat's terms but I thought they were trying to reach a compromise.

Thought so, no defense, but suppression and censorship.

You are a genuine piece of work, little wolf boy.

Do what you want - but I don't have anymore time for this nonsense.

For the first time since I met you, I have to salute you. Well said, Lima.

Proven wrong, he runs away.

Typical of someone who is quite aware their premise and position are fully compromised and indefensible, or else you would simply prove me wrong.

Yep. Typical and predictable.

I agree with your sentiment, @therealwolf. One thing though:

But .. but flagging minnows is wrong?!

Yes

Let's get rid of this idea that flagging a minnow is inherently wrong. Let's use a simple syllogism.

1. Flagging abuse is good.
2. Some minnows commit abuse
3. Therefor, flagging some minnows is good.

I could go further and state how I believe it is good to flag facilitators of abuse as well.

That's just my opinion, though.

Perhaps you are unaware of his $1000 a day self voting hypocrisy, perhaps you are not aware he flags random innocent users who never heard of this simpleton playground bully, perhaps you are not aware of the new users, widows, and charities he has stolen from.

For that I forgive you, but if you are not actively pissed off about the tool cat, then you probably are operating on only partial information about this scenario.

Maybe you're the bully here?

I've simply downvoted your insults. Nothing more. Nothing less.

True. Regardless of Steempower - abuse is abuse.

By the way - you want to see something funny?

If that's the content I'm preventing with the 3.5 days rule - then I'm good!

Yeah, you'll do anything to avoid answering to the dozen people on this thread holding you accountable, EXCEPT being accountable. We've established that. Spend your time answering all the questions, not censoring and suppressing inconvenient truths about yourself.

Notwithstanding the separate debate about using bid bots. If a post is not worth promoting after 3.5 days then how much does it add to steem/the world? That is one of the issues of the 7 day payout rule. It reduces the incentive for material that lasts.

WRT promotion itself however - my understanding was that votes were intended to allow humans to weed out the good material where bots don't do that. They promote the material of people who can and want to pay for it.

My first comment was detailed enough. The difference is that you have your own little world, where grumpycat is a dick and everyone who shares a similar opinion is one as well.

So you're not even able to think about this rationally.

I'm done with you now. Good day.

So apparently only micro fraction are wrong doers , and you want to downvote them because that's within the reach. But can they really influence the platform growth ? I feel the answer would be NO in the long term, because a micro percentage can never influence. So why not support non-wrong doers and set up a trend ?

Yes, I agree, it will may need more brain-time cost, but you can use the same voting power cost for this good cause. And I am sure others will join you. Have we ever seen a whale's post supporting good authors going to a trending page ? The day that happens, this platform will cherish.

@penderis
I've thought about that as well, but it's a lot of work! Nevertheless, still thinking about it.

Guitar twat?

Before the 3.5 days time-limit, abusers would buy upvotes for their post at around 6.5 days which would reduce the time services like steemcleaners would be able to remove rewards in abuse-cases.

Ha, rationally.

I am concerned about the future of the platform. A platform that will die thanks to bidbot enablers and bully supporters like you. Only concerned about public opinion of your personal profit machines. Not at ALL concerned about public opinion (so much against you all over this page) or public appearances of the platform as demonstrated by your desire to support an arbitrary self imposed bully, but unable to answer to any allegation made by anyone on this page. You just keep trying to run away when cornered with the truth.

Bid bots cannot be stopped, but you are single handedly responsible for making them accessible and easy to use so you in fact are a co-defendant, and you better start defending your position instead of dodging it and using logical fallacies and evasion to avoid them.

Because everyone is looking at you right now, and you look pretty ridiculous to anyone capable of "rational thought"

for now maybe a public voting page to propose blacklists then a moderator team from the 3top bot can say yes no if yes it goes a weeks voting by lets say at least 200 users or all witnesses the list gets updated and all bots need to check that api before accepting bids. ... not sure if i would trust general users to vote though.

Thinking is just a simple api that will return a clean json reply with usernames and from there it can be expanded. Your bot can already merge markymarks list also, and with time it will be the norm.

Sorry to load the reply. But also implementing a value cap of how much something may worth, there surely is a limit to how much any post could possibly worth since the people are paying themselves, and assuming they are actually losing money on bids it still messes up visibility for legit posts. That is all sorry for the mess.

Thank you for your generous upvote.

Do you know why steem stopped the 30 day payout they used to have?

I guess the truth is no matter what great thing is added or changed people will find a way to "abuse" it.

I like this post

Instead of leaving huge flags on people who use non-compliant bid bots, why don't you just cancel out the reward that they paid for? It would help you achieve your goals even more because instead of being ruined and leaving Steem, they would stay on the platform and warn their friends about bid bots and pressure the bot owners. It would also let you cover more posts in one day.

If you're interested I could probably create a program to calculate the downvote weight needed to cancel the votes of accounts you blacklist. I could even make it flag the right amount when you give it an URL.

I support your mission to take down bots but I think you might achieve better results if you did that. I agree that the idea to reward users just wouldn't work. The abusers don't care for a chance to earn 50SBD by forgoing the easy way.

Your articles is good.I am very disappointed to see steemmarket supporting such a weak idea as bullying. You guys have a whitelist, you evaluate the quality of content. These are good things to do. I hope to see you standing up against this sort of abuse or working against the problems of trending trash in meaningful, constructive ways; not this kjind of self-agrandizement by a tyrant.

very nice your concept. you are a great on steemit....@grumpycat

The only reason that plagiarism is cared about here is because steem inc wants people to, because they don't want to deal with cease and desist letters or other copyright issues. But the funny thing is that rehashed content and memes are what people on other social media enjoy seeing, so this only hurts the value of the platform for content consumers.

if you want? follow me now and do upvote,,, then i will give some upvote. thank you
have a good day

yepp, here we are...

Humans enjoy positives things
A downvote is negative
A downvote war spiral is negative for steem

If you don't like the trending page, scroll. Go on another page.

People risked their life to cross the Berlin wall.
They cross all Africa without a penny to escape abusive powers.
They cross the Mediterranean sea to escape their country's nocive control.
People want to escape tyranny.

We don't want people to escape steem
We don't want your dominance @grumpycat

You don't answer yourself to @the-resistance.
You have to pay others to come with an answer.

Don't you have any argument you could expose us by yourself? That seems an emotional-backed behavior, rather than a rational judgment.

Spread love ❤️ not flags ☣️

What a mess this platform has become. The CEO himself hasn't bothered posting on here in over a month. What does that suggest about the future of this place?

I see almost daily developmental updates about EOS and other up and coming blockchain projects. Smart Media Tokens? Oh yeah, we have a white paper to reference from September without further insight on the roll out status. As long as Steemit is considered the brand face of Steem, this blockchain will continue to lose market share to more dedicated dev teams.

Grumpy and others touting self-proclaimed rules of engagement embody the Animal Farm atmosphere that has run amok on this site. At first I thought Grumpy's initiative was admirable, considering the lack of guidance from Steemit Inc on the issue of voting abuse. Yet a more in depth look reveals that he himself engages in extensive self-voting, as @sircork has pointed out. It's hypocrisy, full stop. Anyone not calling it out for what it is also is a hypocrite.

And anyone supporting this nonsense contributes to the madness - it's easy to pick on the small fish, but if engagement drops further, all you're left with is a silo of sanctimonious enforcers of arbitrarily designated laws that controvert the very code that the platform was constructed upon.

Address the code and apply reform across the board equitably to everyone. Targeting users on a whim is not the way to go about encouraging a systemic quality culture. The apparent indifference of the top Witnesses to all of this, despite the oft discussed issues plaguing Steem, is inexcusable.

To be honest though, steemit inc, the amateur blog site makers aren't in charge of the block chain at all, and EOS is a block chain, which produces information updates about its development. They are not the same thing at all.

Steemit inc makes a shitty blog site. Steem the block chain is not their responsibility.

I like @grumpycat! He's my best friend.

Yet Steemit Inc is spearheading the roll out of SMTs. And for that, they are responsible.

I don't know. If we could determine whether it was just basic bitch bullying, I'd say I agreed with you. But I don't know if it is.

Anyone could argue that a downvote to an innocent bystander might be intrinsically bullying, outstanding facts aside. However, the real question may not be about the downvoting in itself. It appears to be about what this specific type of downvoting is meant to accomplish, what it is actually accomplishing, and whether that is worth the casualties it may incur.

Those who think the purpose is a worthy one will justify the behavior. Those who think it is not will crucify the behavior. The kind of downvoting, albeit unfair to some, takes an approach that is not a respecter of persons, but an all-or-nothing word to the wise: "Don't use bots after 3.5 days, no matter who you are. They need to be shut down."

Frankly, I'd be more interested in seeing the short term and long term fiscal impact on both the "last-minute-bot-vote-pilfering-from-babies-and-kittens," and the "arbitrary attacks from heavily armed terrorist @grumpycat downvotes," as there are casualties on both sides.

Users facing arbitrary attacks will not likely use this platform. Neither will users who are randomly pilfered out of a purchased bot-vote. The question is, which users are we deterring more of over the long term: those who contribute to the success of the platform, or those who contribute to the failure of it?

As a business model, I'd be more likely to choose the one that retained users who contributed to the long term success of the platform.

As a side note, the system that attracts users with integrity and grit is generally a system that has integrity and grit. Maybe we just sit and see which one holds out...

All your points are true... and yet have nothing to do with what I am upset about.

And that is the fact that we all stand by and argue about this or that side of this issue in terms of the voting and bidbots...

When the real issue, is that a playground full of people has just has one big fat kid step into it from out of nowhere and start imposing his opinion as law in a place where in fact, his opinion is nothing more than his own and had nothing to do with any kind of enforceable anything. It's just an asshole bully with an opinion, and a bigger gun than the people he assaults with his terrorism.

You know, like the mafia does when they sell "protections" to shop owners to ensure they don't have "accidents" by failing to comply with the mafia boss.

"Capiche'?"

OK. So who is it up to then? A lot of people seem to think what he is doing is right. Is it up to those people? Whose opinion actually matters? If not his, then whose? Yours? If you had the big guns, and you could do whatever you wanted with them, what would you do in his place? Would you allow the bid-bot profiteers to run off the noobs and pilfer the kittens?

I am very interested in using their SMT panel to launch an SMT of my own. I am curious about the APPICS distribution of XAP tokens which are apparently SMTs and ned is on the developers page as an advisor

Blacklists and whitelists (with a fair and transparent rating system - a panel of raters that are selected in a transparent process). That's more like it! innocent until proven guilty.

Look up the non agression principle, if it unfamiliar to you, but I suspect it isn't...

This is a decentralized platform, with no rulers. It has rules, but those are the code, nothing more, nothing less. In theory, no one here is breaking the rules of the code. Neither the asscat or the people using or making bots. So what gives asscat the right to assault other users with his opinion, especially when it's not even his real opinion as demonstrated by his own $1000.00 a day self-voting habits - not illegal but sure as hell hypocritical given his "reasons" for his assaults.

If I had the bigger guns, I'd shoot cans in my backyard with them. Because what other people do is none of my business until they do it on my property, then I have the right to return fire in self defense.

He is offensive, in all senses of the word, and far outside the ideals of our white paper and our code law here. He is a tyrannical, hypocritical and somewhat sociopathic bully. Even inconsistent in his targeting by his own guidelines.

End of the day, he's an aggressor, a terrorist and a stain on the face of this platform that is acting against even his OWN self interests. But that too is none of my business, once again, till he comes in MY yard - meaning my discord communities which are NOT decentralized, they are my private domain, and my posts and my friends posts who ask me to defend them or need help doing so themselves.

Aggressors will not be tolerated. A flagging is not aggression. Wanton destruction is though, and this thing has done plenty of that.

As for the last sentence of your thing? People don't have a gun to their heads to use bid bots. That's a consensual arrangement between buyer and seller in a free market, even if the bot owners profit and the buyer loses money, as most do. This is none of your business or mine.

But the reward pool rape!!! OMG!!! Ok, so either play to win and bot up since thats the thing people do here, or don't play. Your choice, as consumer of the goods.

But when an aggressor comes and tries to impose law of his whim by force? That's terrorism, violates the NAP and is worthy of my contempt and active attempts to defensively end it.

Supporting GC is supporting terrorism,plain and simple. And I am fully aware we are dialoging and you have not expressed support for either side in your question, so don't read this any other way than as an explanatory response, not a personally accusatory one of any kind.

Not if the top 20 witnesses don't come to a quorum and vote for the hard fork it will require!

Hahahaha...
I am just an observer and a reader.

That is an easy exit.

Completely ignore the content.

You know the truth.

For ONE INDIVIDUAL to have such dominance over the helpless...
While most who could do something simply DO NOTHING....

While there isn't the ability to remove an individual who is toxic like a regular system would.. that individual can easily and quickly be silenced if simple team work by those who have weigh is utilized.

NOT ONCE HAVE I SEEN A GROUP OF HIGH WEIGHTED INDIVIDUALS DO A DOWN VOTE.

Here and there one high up gets involved and leaves a BIG comment... (making sure to upvote it for "visibility"...) and THAT IS IT.

The REST all sit on their hands...

You can make bullshit excuses but you know very well that what I said WILL BE what brings this platform down. Already there migration out of here has began. You yourself have stated that EOS is an appealing alternative.

More and more steemit is filling up with third world hopefuls who bring no money.
There is also no reward for them here. They are not even respected. Simply "the spammers".
It doesn't take a genius to realize that they will be what overruns steemit.
Yet there is a combined effort to make sure they stay in their lane...

What you made $300 on an intro post... with bad English...

NAH YOU BROWN MOTHER FUCKER... NOT ON MY WATCH.

Yeah.... good look.

Steemit a place of diversity and equality.

You can publish many books or videos or posts or articles on the same day and they all can have great quality because they can all be in the making for weeks or longer and there should be no limit to how many comments and posts are to be posted and published on Steemit as the quality of the posts and comments depends on many factors and many things.

Charity Bot, you are right. And the whole thing about what is and is not copyrighted, patented, protected, reserved, covered under fair use, what is in the public domain, what is copy right, what is copy left, what is open source, and everything else, is and is not sometimes problematic in so many ways depending on the countries you are in and depending on many factors and I heard that Walt Disney stole some ideas or drawing, allegedly, from others that worked in him around the 1920's and Disney probably stole it and copyrighted it and that means the other man could not use his own stuff and there are thousands of these stories were copyrights were actually stolen in the first time to protect the robbers and not the actual creators as the original creators are not always able to protect and copyright their work and fair use for parodies and commentaries and other things is another issue as we have Weird Al and others and that is another thing to consider and the public domain thing is another thing to consider also. All of this is very complex and more complex than most people think as it goes both ways in so many ways in the risk and in the pros and the cons of all the laws just like how taxes have problems and welfare has problems too.

Is Grumpy Cat imposing law? No. Even if the cat says they are laws, they are not. The cat may be wrong to downvote if the cat is downvoting, but that is what freedom is all about. Cat is imposing opinions and is doing whatever. If we don't like it. We got to downvote Cat or ignore Cat or something. That is our job. We can talk about it and we can take action if we want as that is our freedom to react to Cat and others too. Good luck with that.

Freedom. I love freedom. If I wanna Self-Upvote, Good. But you seem to say freedom is limited. You seem to say we should not be allowed to do certain things. Then they should disable the Self-Upvoting Feature then. Tell @Ned to turn off Self-Upvoting capabilities. Either we can or we cannot. But who to say how many self-upvotes are too little or too many? Where is the line between acceptable and abuse? Where are the rules to say what is abuse and what is not abuse? If we do not like Cat and others, we can downvote Cat, make posts about Cat, form a group to do whatever we can to stop Cat or whatever. That is our freedom if we want. We all are better off as we talk about it and as we take action to do all we can to do what we want to do.

Agreed, that is freedom, for better or for worse, for the good people and for the bad people as opposed to subjective rules applied only sometimes to some people at certain times and so on and so forth as that is not what this decentralized system is really all about basically, potentially, ultimately, like you are saying, and it is our job to talk about all of this more and more and to raise awareness of stuff, all kinds of things, good things and bad things, and people too, and we can talk about Cat for example, and we can come together and downvote Cat or whatever as those are our choices perhaps. I am not going after Cat. I do not care what the cat does. The cat has freedoms. I respect those freedoms even if Cat is doing bad or whatever the case may be. I am focused on spending time around people and things I like. I upvote. I do not downvote, haha. Like smoking. I do not smoke. Maybe a store will sell cigarettes. Yes. To make money. And Grumpy Cat has the freedom to buy cigarettes even if that is bad. I will not buy any. But I will let Cat exercise freedom, freewill. Amen.

Agreed, so much has been decided, influenced, managed, controlled, governed, historically, culturally, globally, by the wealthy, basically, generally, and Steemit basically has that, absolutely, or to some extent, and I like that, and we also have some ability to influence each other and to compete to become wealthy as well, eventually in the long-run, as we go up ladders to compete with whales on Steemit and everything. I promote freedoms for better and for worse. If we do not like @GrumpyCat, we may try to Downvote Cat, talk about it more, take actions maybe. Those are our freedoms perhaps. And it is also Cat's freedom to do stuff be it good or bad as the wealthy makes up the rules so to speak like you said. For me, I try to ignore it. I don't downvote people. But I don't want to stop others from making their own choices. I try to focus my time on things I like as much as I can instead of crying about things I do not like. Thanks for writing. :)

Exactly correct @SirCork.

Hey @sircork, I have not been able to steem today. But I actually really liked your response. So I wanna respond to it. Hopefully tomorrow (which is in 12 minutes for me...but I'm going to bed now. Super long day.) I'm interested in this conversation. If others are getting annoyed, we can get a room, but it seems to pertain, so.....

Lol.

How many entries allowed?
Here's the short answer; long one coming later if @the-resistance reply.

Brain-Time Cost

Brain: Takes a lot of decision-making to choose whom to award.
Time: Takes a lot of time to choose whom to award.

Voting Power Cost

700 SBDs can instead be used for Powering Up by @grumpycat to better enable and facilitate flagging of abusers.
(Plus, 700 SBDs per week? Wtf man @the-resistance?
You on coke?)

Flagging VS Up-Voting

Key fact here being:

...when only micro fraction are wrong does.

(@grumpycat your facts better be right here, else this point's gonna be countered easily)

@the-resistance,
Imagine you have a garden that is filled to the brim with flowers.
Imagine there are a few weeds growing among those flowers.

Now, answer this:

Would you rather uproot those very few weeds, or be a douche and plant a shitton of more flowers?

@grumpycat PA will be coming over for those 50 STEEM this evening.
Thank you for this kill contract.
For similar other services, contact Hitman yesaye here.

Bonus points if able to explain Grumpy-compliance in simpler terms and why it's not always possible to influence vote sellers behavior by flagging them directly.

Trying, but not able to come up with something simpler than this:

It is intended to fight the nothing at stake people from profiting from buying upvotes on low quality content at the last few hours.

Select this for 50 STEEM, we'll split 50/50.

Hey! @gentlebot upvoted my comment too! :/
Oh right, it was this comment on @dan's post:

Hi @dan.

Wow!
Okay Brain time cost : A lot . Scouring through the plagiarists, the down right weirdos and the wth were you thinking posts, it takes time and patience.
Voting Power Cost : If the carrot approach isn't working, the stick approach will.
Downvoting and flagging help bring people who are abusing the system to the notice of others.
Although I do believe that if you don't have the time, setup a team to curate for you.
Carrot and stick can co-exist
Yes, you can't expect things to be hunky-dory and forget that people will take advantage of the system.
I'm neutral about your methods but i can request you again to setup a
team like curie or OCD to help people who don't use bid bots.
You'll get curation rewards and prove your point.

nice...........

You know what i think about your post ?

it deserves a big upvote

here you go

Woah this is some heavy shit bro! :D

I was responding to you putting the onus on steemit inc, who has nothing to do with it, and by extension then, as in your newer reply on those whales, who have a vested interest in NOT doing anything about issues, in general, because it will either possibly draw fire or attentions that can't sustain or absorb, and yes, some just don't care, because they are absentee owners. Then you have the ones that stay out of it, because platform liberty - code is law, and this is all within the allowances of the current code, which cannot so easily be changed... etc etc etc.

So many levels of paradigm and angles, that's why your original message, acknowledged none of that, and hence, seemed like you didn't quite get all the parameters of the "game".

I will look forward to it.

If you see my message if there was any reason, then you have some help. Please help me a little bit down my facebook link:
https://www.facebook.com/mimakter.akter.522

Another cool thing.

That's more drama in the comments than I'm designed to handle.

What if a whale is behind someone removing vengeance by flagging just for fun?

This meme is dedicated to you @grumpycat. I think this sufficiently explains to @the-resistance the logical error in their "proporsal".

By the way, I am on your side 100%. @the-resistance claims to be helping the community... by restricting people from using flags? Once again, these are people claiming to support freedom by limiting freedom.

This reminds me of some "resistance" groups in the real world. If you think about it, they have the same mindset of (safety>freedom). In this case, smaller accounts being protected from being flagged.

@the-resistance , this is dedicated to you.

Lexiconical approves of this comment.

PS - Watch out with statements of the obvious in reward-pool arguments...you'll get a pie flung at your head.

"Authentic zero day newbies do not use bidbots, and there is an even smaller chance for them to use bidbots that he prohibits."

Gotta agree with this observation. Sock-puppet, like Movietrailers is of ContentJunkie.

This doesn't address the labor problem. Blacklists/warnings take labor.

I'm used to worse. 😸

The post you linked is shit, and that guy got off easy.

He's a spammer. Real intro posts aren't spamming bid bots. Sock puppet.

Would read again.

You...uh...don't know wtf is going on here, do you?

OK. So I like this response. It sounds authentic and driven by experience and personal reason. That being said, I think part of the problem is the code itself. Curation coding has morphed over the stretch of the beta so many times, it's frustrating to see that during a time where more tweaking is needed, none is made. Only a little tweaking could engender a more mindful and authentic voting structure.

What we're left with, as a result, are Big Brothers and large farm animals like the cat, who mean well to begin with, but who, not surprisingly, fall into some categories of hypocrisy, as well as indiscriminately alter the experience other users have, for the worse.

That being said, I'm still not altogether convinced his actions are wrong. I am saying I'd need to see the numbers. If his downvoting is in fact generating an appropriate deterrent for abusers, thereby creating a more even playing field for good users, I'd like to see it. That questions needs to be answered.

Also, you have not answered my question as to what you would do with your steem power if you were in his place....what is your proposal for dealing with abuse on here...or do you not consider it such???

I think that's what is referred to as free market. The market dictates the industry. Right now, there is a market for downvoting and getting rid of spammers and the vehicles they use to proliferate (aka: bots over 3.5 days old). I think you have a good point here as well.

Aren't we just giving the wrong solutions to the wrong problem?

Do we really care about bidding bots? Nah we care about content, good or bad. What we really lack is way to promote and sponsor good content creators. Our goal should be to be referenced, outside of steem, for the content we produce like reddit, wikipedia, devianart, instagram, twitter, youtube... We are really really far from that. We need to do something.

I totally answered all of that?

Or he could have just prefer not to hurt anybody. Having lots of power does not mean he already has all the right to just flag anyone.

It's possible. There might be newbies who were already taught by those who invited them here to use bidbots. So maybe after making their first post, a friend sponsored a bot to boost his post or donated a few sbd to him to try bidding. That's just my opinion.😉

You're saying you'd do nothing?

OK. Fine. I'll give you that. It's none of your business to meddle unless it's on your property. Is that your whole take? Anarchy 101?

I think that philosophy is all well and good until a bully comes to town with bigger guns. Leaving a bully to suit himself is one thing. But letting him take advantage of others, even though it's not in my yard, is entirely another. And when these people are members of the community that I share?

I'd say I have a right to protect them as well. And if I have a bigger gun, then I'd call myself @grumpycat and scare the bullies off. How does that make me a bully? The only part where his argument fails is the fact he votes himself up so much. I'm not sure that's much different than a pilfering 11th hour bot-vote. But just because he is doing something hypocritical does not mean his downvoting is also hypocritical.

Nice

@madpuppy has visited my post. and downvoted it. T.T
https://steemit.com/coinkorea/@banjjakism/3hjhxh

I didn't know that. And now I understood. Cloud u please undo this? I will follow ur guide. Thx!

• But letting him take advantage of others, even though it's not in my yard, is entirely another.*

To which I reiterate...

till he comes in MY yard - meaning my discord communities which are NOT decentralized, they are my private domain, and my posts and my friends posts who ask me to defend them or need help doing so themselves.

But then, we need bigger guns or we get beat down by a bully. A bully I have yelled and ridiculed and told to get "off our lawn" plenty... but welcome to the experiment in ancapistan... which is proving warlords can only be defeated by community action, and here, the community is not strong enough, to beat up the bully. So we go round and round.

I still contend he needs to read his own headline and learn economics though, as he is the one raping the pool the most consistently with his self voting and exposing him for the fraud he is means all of the community will reject him.

The bot owners bending over for him irritates me too even if I didn't believe in bots, I believe in having a damn spine and some integrity.

It's a losing situation for the cat though, as he is the one ruining the platform for himself, losing money in his wallet from when he bought in, till now, and without community wide outrage at his terrorism and hypocrisy, basically, he wins in the short term, but kills the whole place in the long term. Because in turn the community is effectively saying, bullies are cool. No biggie. And down we all fall.

Message from The-Resistance

We, as The-Resistance read all the replies under this post.
It is positive that @GrumpyCat at least tries to get some advice from the community and pays 50 STEEM for a good advice.

There are really good comments, which shows the community is involved and has a point of view on the problem.
As The-Resistance we decided not to reply any comment since our reply may effect the rational! decision of @GrumpyCat in a positive or negative way.

To inform the community and to give some more data to people, we want to share some of the latest downvotes of @GrumpyCat via @MadPuppy account.

Downvoted Author :

@lycencrypto

Downvoted post :

https://steemit.com/travel/@lykencrypto/come-steemit-watch-and-we-travel-the-bahamas

Post age at the time of upvote purchase :

Less than 1 day

Post content :

V-Log on Nassau - Bahamas, a place where you really would like to be.Nothing spam, all original content

Downvote Amount :

5.57 SBD

Downvoted Author :

@hazelicious

Downvoted post :

https://steemit.com/tossupport/@hazelicious/my-life-at-30

Post age at the time of upvote purchase :

Less than 1 day

Post content :

Inside look at her life at 30 as a mother and a wife. No spam, all original

Downvote Amount :

3.79 SBD

Downvoted Author :

@simply-me

Downvoted post :

https://steemit.com/life/@simply-me/parrot-bebop-2-drone-photography

Post age at the time of upvote purchase :

Less than 1 day

Post content :

A familiy, so happy with their new purchased drones wanted to share their photo and videos.No spam, all original

Downvote Amount :

4.46 SBD

Downvoted Author :

@shabbirahmad

Downvoted post :

https://steemit.com/photography/@shabbirahmad/flowers-natural-beauty-of-bangladesh-or-life-and-photography-or-photography-no-102

Post age at the time of upvote purchase :

Less than 1 day

Post content :

Spring time in India, beatiful flowers, all original , no spam

Downvote Amount :

4.46 SBD

Downvoted Author :

@antonsteemit

Downvoted post :

https://steemit.com/cn/@antonsteemit/sharding-ethereum

Post age at the time of upvote purchase :

Less than 1 day

Post content :

In Chinese, format is very good and has taken good comments. No spam, fresh

Downvote Amount :

4.46 SBD

Downvoted Author :

@dpl

Downvoted post :

https://steemit.com/crypto/@dpl/they-will-make-you-hate-bitcoin-post-removed

Post age at the time of upvote purchase :

3.2 days

Post content :

A good formated, original content cryptocurrency post. No spam, less than 3.5 days.

Downvote Amount :

4.46 SBD

These are just examples from yesterday activity of @GrumpyCat.

Making this data public, we still insist that :

• These people are innocent. Their posts are quality, fresh and they did nothing wrong.
• @GrumpyCat, if his intentions are true, could easily use the tool we prepared for him :https://botanalyse.neocities.org/
  With this he can easily see who is buying votes at the last day.
  
• If he rewards minnows that are not using non-GC complying bots instead of punishing he can have a much better result and he can find a big community helping him.
• To protect all the innocent minnows as above We-Resist!

Join our bot we-resist to help protect others ....https://we-resist-bot.herokuapp.com
Come to meet with the community ... https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR

@the-resistance

How are you profiting from bid bots? Please explain your math to me, because I've tried to change 1s into 2s and it still isn't profitable at all

I bid in off-peak hours. Dawn here in Saudi. I patiently wait for the right timing. I don't profit much, because mostly I only bid cents. But I have tried my highest bid to 4steem. There are times I get less.. So it is still a gamble. The latest I bid was 2sbd and the bot gave me $3.98, minus the curation reward. It's just so little profit, but every single cent counts for me these days so I still call it a profit.

After reading the post, I came to know that how good this cat is. Many bid bots owner complied with grump policy but first time I saw that cat is complying with a bounty proposals. So it's nice to see that big user like grumpy cat actually hears the thoughts of small minnows with practical approach. That's why I love steemit. That's all I know @lexiconical

okay so you're getting 1.25 ish sbd back and less than 1 sp? seems like a huge gamble for zero profit. since most of the time you're losing, right?

Flagging is crucial
Simply put, as parrents we don't always just say
"Good job, here, have a cookie"
Because your child will become spoiled that way.. sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, and say "no!" when it is needed, in order for your child to grow up balanced, knowing right from wrong..

Thanks for doing this :) It really means a lot to me

I always use the bottracker, but still there are bidders who bid at the last minute. Lol! I don't bid all the time. I just used it again these past few days hoping for a small profit. But how will I profit now? Grumpycat just took all my $11 post earnings because I violate his rules which not everyone know that there's such rules. 😅

oh that's easy, just dont use bid bots and use some elbow grease to promote your posts instead. the #steemit tag works pretty great on twitter. share your posts on facebook, reddit, 4chan, etc.

bid bot owners are evil capitalists anyway. and you're just encouraging them.

I only have facebook.😆 did it work to u?

Well, I dont really care too much about this platform or building a following here. I'm just biding my time until a better platform is developed on EOS. But if you look at the fact that I've only made 227 posts (228 after this comment) compared to your 1451 posts, then I don't think I'm doing too bad with my strategy.

Haha! That's because I thank everyone who comment and appreciate my post. Even a spammer. 😆

and i have 20 message discussions with random people like you. lol. fact remains, I make a profit with every post because i dont use bid bots. ;-)

I think that everyone has a different opinion and that's the good thing about steemit that we can share it without any commitment

I know they have nothing to do with it... but hey...
Did Ned not ACT FAST to distance himself from the recent ICOs that are getting pushed on the SMTs that aren't even a reality yet... PROTECT YOUR ASS @ned.

Now all that would be needed... on that post... is for him to simply say "we do not tolerate racism". It would have an immense impact. It doesn't need to be a system intervention. The userts would know... hey.. we went to far. let's check ourselves.

He IS the leader here and things that are allowed to pass like the CLEAR discrimination for the lesser individuals here... that can not be left ignored. It will come back to hurt those who ignore it.

It would only take ONE mainstream media story to run... "Is the new Social fair.. or are there clear losers".... etc... etc.... there are so many ways in which one can gather a newsworthy (or msm bait) story here which would paint this new thing in a very bad light. Take the "child porn in bitcoin" for instance... they would just love for that to bring down BTC.

There is a clear system of classes here...

If you bring money.. WELCOME... give me your cock.. ok.. i got a grip... now you hold my cock... got it ?? OK LETS GO!!!! JERK IT JERK IT JERK IT JERK IT...

No money.... FUCK OF PEASANT... KEEP SPAMMING FOR A CENT...

This is essentially part of society. I won't deny that.
It is however, what is high on the todo list of all those who are trying to change so much of society.. and if they get even a whiff of a people's discriminated on here.. specially the Brown ones.. because you know... White is Evil yeah..... well.... them SJWs would have discovered here ATROCITIES!

Anyway, we'll reflect back on it when we are on EOS right...

It was not my point.

The point was that he utilized the system EXACTLY how it is meant to be used.

He was then given a harsh reception simply because of his skin color and his bad English.

Your own judgement now... shows this.

He used MONEY to buy REWARD... which is what this shithole EXCLUSIVELY is...

For you to judge him as not worthy of playing the game and joining the winners is discrimination.
Maybe he read about steemit prior and realized.. if I don't play the money game I won't win....

Would that not be then a person who DID THEIR RESEARCH?
He would be considered knowledgeable and a smart investor....

IF HE WAS WHITE.

Yeah, none of the above is in anyone's "control" here but in each individual person to manage themselves in this environment.

Not ned, not anybody. Sorry.

https://steemit.com/steem/@appsteem/steem-developer-portal-b85f18e620bb1

So the obvious next stage of evolution on Steem will be bots attacking other bots. Automate all that manual work of actually reading and commenting and attacking on a personal level. Farm it out to your bot army.

At least that is what Obama thought when he killed more civilians with drones than any president before him

Wow, that segway took a wicked left turn. Sorry to anyone that sprained your neck as we took that corner on two wheels.

I tried, but most likely all it will do is mean a flag, but that is okay. I don't like most bots.

Well yeah it would be a good rule if Anarchy was really the goal and endgame.

That movement died out long ago though.

It's normal people from mainly poor places on Earth that this place now attracts.

There is a minuscule amount of real money players here in comparison to the majority.

The only factor keeping the price afloat is the Koreans.
They will essentially go ham on EOS when launch though.
They have liked SBD only because many saw this as their community.
They mostly have been run out by the many racist campaigns against them though.
Once they migrate they won't have a reason to fuck with SBD any more.

In hindsight, those that did nothing might kick themselves when nothing is.. what is left.

LOL

It might be like...

A blogging battleship greed type game.

"My shitpost with 4 bid bots, 34 spammer leech comments, no whale vote, 1 whale downvote"

"Miss... your shitpost sunk"

My asslickpost with 3 bid bots, 340 spammer leech comments, 3 well stroked whales, 200 angry shitcunts complaining about earnings"

"Hit! You dog.. you got a $609 payout"

Hey wait..

This is already the game....

Everything that happens in the universe is perfect: who complains, simply doesn't see the complete design?
Things happen exactly as they had to happen?

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I made a post about it describing in length within the video, but here is the outline:

Politics on SteemIt
a. Who are politicians/Policy Actors?
b. What constitutes politics?
c. How Politics Works.
@GrumpyCat's Politics
a. Shitposting
b. Bidbot abuse
c. GrumpyCompliance
Why GrumpyCompliance Works
a. Bidbots are businesses: Profit Driven
b. No way to attack businesses without attacking revenue stream (i.e. YouTube Ad Boycotts)
c. Proven Effectiveness
Dispelling Rumors
a. Grumpy Cat is Promoting Own Bid Bot
b. Grumpy Cat is "Stealing"
c. Grumpy Cat is not a bully
Wrap-Up
a. Grumpy is not a bully, stealing profit motivated anon bernie.
b. Grumpy aims to improve the steemit community.
c. If you have been flagged, you aren't a "victim", you are a policy actor.

https://youtu.be/7y6m5V-y868

https://steemit.com/grumpycat/@jpolitical96/why-upvoting-randos-won-t-help-bid-bot-abuse

Doesn't this just imply anarchy only works when everyone is an anarchist?

Steemit is a great community. Hiding, a little beneath the trending page, are hundreds of thousands of other minnows. People who come here to blog, and interact with other members of the community. People who care about grammar, spelling and above all – really high quality content.

Of course, there are those who are here to make a fast buck. They'd like to exploit this network, until they've taken all it has to give from it. They'll hide real posts under mountains of their garbage. They turn one of the best social networks around into a ground for fly tippers to dispose of their garbage. But the worst thing? They profit from it. They make money for tapping random keys, and take away from those who lovingly craft beautiful posts.

They make money by buying upvotes from bid-bots. Those who have the highest stake in this community allow it to be undermined by giving it a poor reputation as a place where spammers come to make money. Not somewhere where you can read something of ok-ish quality.

Clearly they care more about short-term profit, than any long-term dedication to the success of the network. But we can pressure these people into doing something good for the network. By not using these bots, we can make them come around and see how promoting good quality content attracts more users and thus customers.

Let's build this network together.
Cheers,
Grumpycat

Thank you.

Exactly!I just wrote a very time consuming post and included an image that took me hours to produce! Very harsh and unfair, considering I did not send hundreds of SBD - only my meagre 2,5 SBD to help promote my post the way I SAW FIT!

What hurts me more is even though we are angry and been telling him what we feel, we won't win over a person who intends to be deaf and blind with all our protests.

He knows. He's actually pretty smart, and very very fucking funny at making solid memes or as you know I prefer to call them steemes. :D

https://steemit.com/steemit/@tarazkp/a-look-at-transparency-and-hiding-beneath-the-surface

https://steemit.com/steemit/@tarazkp/a-look-at-transparency-and-hiding-beneath-the-surface

I saw the intropost.. Just wow! Haha..

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There have been cases where others have promoted the post, without the original authors knowledge, as they have seen it as a worthwhile project to support.

I'm not against the grumpycats system, but in these cases clearly it isn't perfect.

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Thank you very much!

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Feel like an idiot yet? Because you look like one to everyone else.