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Yes and no.

Do you know what Open Source is? And what a fork is in the Open Source world? And why anything would fork? Most importantly, why it's possible to fork something with Open Source...

Did you ever write a single line of code in your life? What about open source lines of codes? Do you know I wrote millions of open-sourced lines of codes? (including stuff you probably use daily)

Obviously forking a repo and forking a blockchain are two different things (it's always possible to re-merge the forks together in the case of code). There is no philosophical reason to why it's possible to fork. That's just the way it is.

Go up in users? I don't think it will.

And there's already dozens of pump and dump scamming coins, like Hex.

No but its not coz we say its not even though you can see all your posts from steem its not steem your balances are the same but not steem.
Everything is steem but its not steem so get your facts right or wrong or whatever your told🤦‍♂️

1- Please learn to spell. English isn't my native language yet reading your comment makes my eyes cry.
2- Truth isn't based on what people say or think. Truth is based on how the universe (or God if you're a believer) made things
3- Stop believing what people say, use your brain to figure out the truth. It's easier than you think

English obviouly aint your first language as you dont understand the concept of sarcasm never mind my talents are wasted on you people.
Also the english is slang. Thats how 90% of england talks not like 1970's sitcoms

Sarcasm has nothing to do with language. It works in every language.

You just suck at it. To create sarcasm you need to understand context. You don't, so your attempt at sarcasm failed.

Yes and yes. I am in the Google contributors data. Some code I contributed is included in all Ubuntu disks. I didn't contribute a lot of open source code, but I do write my own code almost exclusively Open Source as well.

Forking was frowned upon before Github. It's not something you do willy-nilly. Still it's the ultimate security mechanism. If something doesn't work any more the way you need it to be, you can fork it and maintain it the way it used to be. That happened with HIVE. We rely on a specific way of functioning that with Justin Sun has gone. So you can disagree with the reasoning, but for all means and purposes, this fork is fully justified.

You are right that forking a blockchain and forking a repo are different, but they happen for the same reason: in case of disagreement with the direction of a project to make sure that what you RELY ON still is there. That was the reason for BCH, that is the reason for HIVE, that was the reason with LibreOffice, all of those which I have watched develop from the start, all of them fully justified. Yes, they get some slack for doing it, but you can see with the amount of support they get that they fill a need.

So yes, that's why it's possible to fork something, and yes, even though the effect seems very dramatic, it's very necessary too.

Maybe it did or maybe you didnt get it.
Either way that is fine. Unlike your piers i wont censor you for disagreeing with it lmao

I have nothing against forks. They ultimately create competition for the lead of a project, which will push both sides to work harder.

BCH brought a needed improvement to the procol. Their mempool is looking better than BTC. We now know that if BTC doesn't use the improvement, it's because some BTC maximalists want to keep the fees high. It also brought out a truth.

What did HIVE do? It's just a rebranding and a coin-wipe... The tech is exactly the same, I don't see any new users (only the same old ones coming back to syphon $100/month). Blue became red, STEEM became HIVE, SBD became HBD.

Would anyone have used BCH if it was a perfect copy of Bitcoin just with a different name and a nice domain (bitcoin.com)? No.

So why is it working with Hive? Because people in this community have an average IQ of 80 and can get very easily manipulated through the proof-of-brain rewards mechanism. Under normal circumstances, everyone would be saying what I'm saying: that forks shouldn't be touching private property assets, and everyone would be ignoring Hive.

Now tell me, without any racist or political reason, why it was necessary to fork?

🤔 I think you may should be carefully with what you say that emotionally, I would say carefully. I know its a very dramatic situation ands it is difficult for us all. But Hive IS NOT the same as Steem! And pls be careful saying hive user has an average IQ of whatever.

The thoughts about Steem has cartel like structures is an old story and now the time has come for hardforks. There are good reasons for that. I dont want to blame you, but please be carefull shitting on 'all' Hive Users. Hive Network IS NOT SAME as steemit Network. Well, the technology and codebase... Ok, but not the ecosystem itself. Its different...😉

I can image why you angry. But then stop shitting and pissing here in that ecosysten and move away to 'your own better one'....

The only difference between Steem and Hive is the governance model. On STEEM, it's a dictatorship model, proven to work, it's essentially the way most companies operate today.

On Hive, it's technically similar to the pirate game. I would also like to believe it's a democracy, or at least an oligarchy, but if the witnesses ultimately decides who gets coins or not (i.e. no respect of the sanctity of private proterty), it's clearly a pirate/mafia game.

I think the dictatorship model can lead better results overall, as long as the dictator is benevolent. At least the system can be stable and create value. In the other model, what I predict we will see is more forks, more coin-wipes, more legal conflicts between users, more hacked accounts, and ultimately more community splits.

Well I would absolutly aggree that the governance over here might have other lacks.. Might be, I am not the one who has the big overview.

But I notice a long time ago, that steem has cartel structures. And at the beginning most people were not sure. But dude, Dictatorship is better? Come on, I would not say so. Absolut free space might have the 'bug' of pirating. But if so, I think free space is better then dictator ship. But well, we both can have two different opinions. Thats ok, no, thats great.

Lets remember the steemit (and hive) whitepaper. Do you member it says, the governance is democracy hybrid holacracy? So steem itself is not fallowing its OWN whitepaper... Mhhh 🤔, strange, isnt it?

If hive is that free space and it may be not THE solution of governance, its more fallowing the whitepaper then steem does! Think about it.

I can understand your skepticism. But pls stop offend over here and lets try to find THE REAL Solution! 😉

This is called politics, my friend.

The dictator can be benevolent and enforce any other form of governance model he wants. Indeed this is what happened with Ned, who basically stayed neutral down the road, and allowed the cartels to develop.

If you read my old blogs (like this one), you can see I've been arguing for more control since a long, long time.

https://twitter.com/lukestokes/status/1263438444510003201 to stop the 51% attack.

Now if you ask, was the coin wipe necessary? YES, it was, because otherwise the fork would have the same 51% vulnerability. There was NO other way to solve this.

Does this mean that Steem was vulnerable to this in the first place? Yep, it was, and many people were aware. The change of leadership in Steemit Inc made it easier to understand the need for people, it didn't create the need.

Officially tested IQ of 130 here, thank you very much. Maybe you should test yours.

I am part of 'the people', and I don't see it this way. I'm still convinced that if things went better, Justin Sun could have been a great asset to this community (better than ned ever was)

So please stop talking in the name of 'the people'. They aren't even people, most of them are sheeps just repeating what big whales say or upvote.

So you understand that you having 130 IQ does not disprove the fact that the average in the community is 80 ?

I'm pretty sure readers of my blog have at least 110 avg.

This is absolutly ok. But that means that we both have a big gap between our political opinions.

Nevertheless I would say: lets stop blaming each other. That would be a favour for both parties and would not be that exausting 😏

You know thats the cool thing about our days platform technologies: we can have our seperate communities.

Thats why forks are important in an open source and free world

I don't think you have any proof of your idea that the average in the community would be 80, it seems very improbable to me. Even if that were the case, it doesn't in itself proof or disproof any statement. It shows a lot that you answer to this reply and not the 51% attack one...

I'm pretty sure it could, and I am still waiting for the moment that will show that.

Doesn't change the fact that Steem as is doesn't work as a blockchain and as such doesn't serve for most projects. Do invest in Steem as a community, fwiw, but don't call it a blockchain at this point.

The same way, a cake can be absolutely amazing, it still isn't right for me if my focus is avoiding sugar. Decentralization is like avoiding sugar, you can have great governance with Justin but it isn't the same as what DPoS is designed around, and as such we move away from it. Enjoy your sugary cake, we take our sugar free diet here.

We "the people" ?

I'm not answering to the 51% one because there is no 51% attack in dpos. Which proves you don't know anything about this subject in the first place.

Also considering you linked a multi-part twitter post which is hard to read, from someone who probably intentionally uses words to falsely convey ideas that fit the propaganda.

I just want to point out that you are using Hive right now. :)

Don't you mean four forks? There are also Whaleshares and Golos.

At this point, it's a blockchain and changing people's balances does take more work than it would were it on a SQL server.

It literally just demands a software upgrade. There is no consensus needed to get it through, because it's all in JS's hands.

We "those who cared to move to HIVE".

Honestly, HIVE is HIVE and STEEM is STEEM. The people on STEEM should care about THEIR governance.

yeah, technically it's not a 51% attack, but 100% of governance takeover would qualify as the same in spirit I would say?

who is to say that it's not the same thing on Hive? At least 50% of the witnesses are anonymous. Also @privex is basically the top dog selling 'ready-to-work' steem nodes, and I'm suspecting that many of the top 20 are using his hosting services.

To be frank, I don't even think of it as an attack. They powered up some steem and voted for witness with the stake. In a way they 'bought' out the governance. And that's always a possibility in a dpos system.

Privex stopped accepting STEEM/SBD shortly after HIVE launched, and while we were offering Steem 0.22.1 + 0.22.5 pre-ready servers, those are being discontinued from today.

Our official stance is that we refuse to offer any support for running 0.22.8888 nor 0.23.0 - though we can't prevent people figuring out how to run it themselves.

There may be some of the top 20 running Steem nodes at Privex, but it's hard to know for sure, given that we have no KYC - users can put in any name, so some may not put in the same name as they use on Steem.

Above is our official stance on 0.23.0 and 0.22.8888 which was posted in our Discord by @deathwing (one of our staff members)

What about Hive 23.0 nodes? No issues supporting that?

Yes, we continue to support Hive 0.23.0 - which unlike Steem, isn't actively censoring users at the blockchain level, and is correcting for those who were wrongly excluded from the initial airdrop through the "Hive Secondary Airdrop" system.

See the "Hive Secondary Airdrop" proposals here: https://hivedao.com/proposals

I am aware about the SPS shenanigans happening. I wrote a couple other posts about the subject. To put it shortly, SPS is not justice, as it's a whale-only game. Basic knowledge of game theory + an analysis of the stake distribution will be enough for you to be convinced about this.

Also I don't see any big stake holders (like Justin Sun) creating a proposal to get his funds back. I guess he understands he has 0 chance of getting his money back, and doesn't want to humiliate himself ;)

It's possible, but when you can buy the full top governance, and even more when you actually do, I run away and go for the fork. That is what happened.

It's basically the inverse of a democratic voting happening. In any fair voting system, you have a group of participants (can be similar to an electoral college or a whole country) that select one or several representatives. You can check the numbers that this is what is the case on HIVE. You could argue it's closer to electoral college and that this could be done much better, but that is also partly because of the Stake part of DPoS which gives bigger responsibility (actually by design not necessarily power) to the ones with the bigger stake.

In the case of Steem at this point, you have one person voting for all governors, be it by proxy. All influence comes from exactly one person. No one can vote anyone out but the one with all the stake. This is what we know as a puppet state. You can of course arrange this in a fair way, and Justin clearly tries to put it that way, and my respect for that, but it doesn't remove the fact that one person is in charge and all are at his mercy. At this point it isn't meaningful to say "responsibility but not power", and the only way it's not power is because of a lack of technical understanding, not any theoretical/mathematical safeguards.

Also social dynamics that could kinda keep him in check, but that is almost 0. That is definitely not 0 with the situation Hive is in.

Either way, you agree that they bought the governance. There is no way at all for me to change direction, and there never was. The only way thus that makes sense for me is Hive. The social characteristics don't matter at all for what I want to do there, and they completely fly by me because of my autism, which also makes me understand you as incredibly stupid posing as a know-all that doesn't understand how people can't understand his absolute truth. I understand that you are socially/emotionally right, but it doesn't matter. I'm in it for the tech, and for me Hive is the beginning of the real story. Steemit never really did it for me exactly because of the issue that Hive solved now. I never was a true supporter of Steem, although I always hoped it would get there.

The story starts here and the future looks bright.