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Plagiarism Hypocrisy
Most people on Hive understand you should not take a stand on a guy who has nearly million Hive Power and @blocktrades phone number.
On the other hand, some people fail to understand that risking 3 Hive weekly in author rewards skews the math considerably - especially if you have a few thousand Hive invested in tokens that are being abused.
Those blessed with analytical thinking can work out that adjusting 3 Hive weekly to zero changes the risk-reward ratio from temptingly solid to infinite rewards. That is why I am back here, posting about DACH one more time.
Chronocrypto
To put things in perspective, I have recently noticed @spaminator downvote on a @chronocrypto comment. I am not a fan or investor in Utopis project but his #4 position on ARCHON richlist made me check. Apparently, chronocrypto plagirised himself reposting a three-year old post. The post was zeroed with 22 downvotes (Part Two took 35 downvotes). I do not think reposting one's old work without reference is cool. It is an obvious deception attempt. The apology could have been more visible too. OK, quite a few people can feel good about having the work done (including those who auto-DVed following a trail). I think they are fooling themselves wasting energy at marginal abuse.
DACH
Dach is a German word for "roof" and also happens to represent the world's three German speaking countries - Europeans are familiar with the acronyms on license plates - D for Deutschland (Germany), A for Austria and CH for Confederation Helvetica (Switzerland). It is also the name of the most toxic Hive community I currently know of.
Disclaimer: If German happens to be your first language it does not automatically make you a DACH member. Hive Communities are voluntary.
Yes, I am familiar with Lassecash. The leader is a highly eccentrical bloke who is really deep inside @themarkymark 's head. To be fair, there is a good reason.. The list has some characters on it. Plagiarism is a lifstyle that sometimes comes together with the urge to lie about your actions. It is as tough as alcoholism when it comes to abstaining after leaving rehab. Still, I consider Lassecash tribe just a safely enclosed zoo.
The big picture was touched by @theycallmedan in his huge essay/manifesto. It is great to have Layer 1 token's inflation distributed among various groups (not just miners, for example). For me, liars and spam creators fit into the definition of various groups. Let us evaluate their Layer 2 tokens on the market but the effort marky (and a few others) are putting into zeroing the Hive rewards feels an overreaction to me. Lower the rewards - fine. Zero the rewards - shaky ground.
Jelly
I am not saying that because I have just got Layer-1-zeroed as well. I totally deserved it on the cheap shot at posting a stub about what seems to be a new division of the Hive's largest dairy conglomerate. I was short on time and wanted to react quick. OTOH, I do think everyone can benefit from reading the Barrel Fallacy article even if not playing Splinterlands. Maybe that is the downvote that can serve as a platform for @onealfa and @trostparadox to unite their tribe edging a civil war. It provides an opportunity to arrive at the same conclusions despite starting at opposite ends of the opinion spectrum in the general downvote debate.
As for my downvoted comments, well - going from one legitimate post to another and removing curation rewards from a handful of people networked into the community is a pure lunacy. Rich people are allowed to be insane, too.
Altonos
So obviously, the downvotes are not post-specific. I understand them as an acknowledgment of the relevance of my previous work mapping German language spam structures. I have already been complimented by @schlees, who happens to be on Hive.vote's shortest-description downvote trail owned by @altonos. "@louis88" is supposed to be an explanation. The only thing I could understand from it is that a decent chunk of Hive community has been silently accepting being shat on their heads for a while now. Louis is obviously not a random account below the rounding error line.
Is altonos an alt account? I do not care.
Kirstin/Barmbo
Is @kirstin alt of @barmbo account? I do not care again. Other way around? You should not care either.
Even though there are supposedly actors properly playing the characters at DACH Meetups, it is obvious the two accounts are operated by the same person. It might as well be balte, who delegated identical HP amounts to both of them on the same day in 2019. He is probably not. The owner might have just snapped two identical offers on dLease.
Browsing through delegation lists is another worthy pastime especially when it comes to non-posters like @thecryptodrive (including @megadrive alt). Obviously, dLease marketplace means anyone can appear on the list randomly but the longer the delegation runs, the more likely a generic connection exists. The delagtions to @ph-support are quite disturbing in this context as Project Hope was widely recognised to be the #1 toxic community not that long ago. I really hope this is coincidental.
Anyway, do you stil remember the self-plagiarised guy from the beginning of the post? I know it feels like three years ago.
Take this, kirstin/barmbo plagiarise themselves multiple times a day. They repost what they wrote the day before. There are a few templates they rotate but guess what - once you are being downvoted, you might as well use them all daily.
I obviously have nowhere near enough downvote mana to counter this strategy. It probably feels better than having too much HP to use wondering why I cannot do more. I am using the mana to at least remove as much Layer 2 rewards as possible. LEO official policy is not to care about miscategorized content any longer and leave it to users to DV. I have no POB tokens. ARCHON has no policy.
Tribe layer is why I wait a few days to downvote with this account but I regularly flag the posts from @jelly-cz (that has always been clearly labeled as alt in the profile, btw) as soon as they are out. Please do not waste time pretending not to have seen one of those before. If you did and did not care, that is OK with me. You might want to reconsider today. Or you might be fine with it. You can downvote me back if you disagree and want help DACH by making me to spread myself too thin. Most likely, you do not need to do anything as you are just not involved at all. It might have been your curation rewards that got removed in the balte breakdown. If your curation stayed unscratched this time, you can patiently wait for your turn.
Sensitive Content
Please skip to Conclusion if you are a person that can get easily offended. Seriously, do not blame me if you could not.
People of certain nation have been drinking in pubs patting one another's backs and dreaming about grabbing the future in their hands even before 1933. Not acting in 1935 was a mistake. Some nations regretted in 38, others in 39, some in 41. Any of those came out better than regretting in 45 but all of those had been one hell of a trouble by then.
Draw your own conclusions. People are not responsible for what their parents did, let alone their grandparents - let alone this construct being used to blame on nation-wide rather than family level.
A person born in Czechoslovakia should be cautious before sticking this sensitive parallel under the nose of a bunch of German speakers but you might have noticed I am somewhat cornered here by now.
Speaking of the nationality, it hints why I once downvoted a DACH post based on content disagreement. For those not familiar with the regional historical context, a possible localisation would be referring to 1962 as "the year JFK brought missiles to Cuba". Hope that helps you get started. Power of the Powerless is worth a read (without someone bending it over).
BTW, @indextrader24 has been the first to land a couple of so-called malicious upvotes on balte's spam comments. I did not know that when I DVed their post. Just observing.
Conclusion
I hate to include emotions in business but I can feel for balte. He claimed not to be German in the first place which probably explains the urge to work hard on being accepted within the new environment. I understand it to be the background of building a herd of flunkies around him which happens to filter out any sincere feedback. That is kind of sad as one would think half a million bucks can buy better stuff these days. The other tough part is he clearly refuses to see the world outside monetary values. Sadly, it seems to be the Andrej Babis lifestory replay. A foreigner that comes to invest money to milk public funds. Some invested in human relations. Some in owning the media (see @hiq but it might not be good enough content to learn German to read it). And there is always some idiot like me that cannot keep their mouth shut about it.
Balte had claimed to put me on mute but he has since been back with more threats and more attempts to single me out as a misfit. It means he must be really scared. Rich people delegate marginal tasks. DACH means the world to him which is fine. It would have been as safe as Lassecash if it were not for the attempts to export their culture outside their inner circle. It needs to be said every community has one but you can tell a lot by watching how open or closed it is towards the outside world.
A downvote is worth thousand words.
Especially with numbers-oriented people.
For the record, I still feel sane.
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Thanks for your detailed summary - the DACH community has been splitting for some time and apparently the downvotes are part of the @nbs.gmbh project. Looks pretty weird how they act and running such a project.
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STOPTo support your work, I also upvoted your post!
Check out the last post from @hivebuzz:
"plagirised himself " That's funny.
Look at the anti-buse crew.
"I think they are fooling themselves wasting energy at marginal abuse." Nah the whole hivewatchers trail votes on many auto posts.. 😂
If commenting 60-80 times and voting those comments for months on end. Claiming they are raising money is not considered abuse 🤡.
They are now getting DHF funding too.
The downvotes are actions of individuals working in or associated with our company. They do not reflect the attitude, opinion, or belief of the company. This behavior has been criticized internally on several occasions.
In the end, however, we are all still private individuals and what people do on their private accounts is not for us to determine. We can only control the actions of the company/project account and it has not participated in the downvotes or engaged in this dispute in any way so far.
It's a bit unclear to me what you mean here. Can you please explain what you're thinking in a bit more detail?
You are just telling bullshit-stories here, and you know that. Best regards.
Oh, the little policeman tries to reach a detective ranking:)). I wish you success.
Best regards.
If you say the community is splitting, it is probably just eroding one by one, which not optimal. There could be a new German speaking community up in 10 minutes and people can choose where to hang out.
I could see tribe owners muting posts with #deutsch tag at this pace.
I understand the car that caught you speeding went over the speed limit too but that is not surprising.
This tactics has been used before.
Sure. I think alfa could act if he felt it was right while you could act because you had the record of a malicious downvote.
Cheers, I hoped you were not.
I am happy to discuss but I prefer to only hear whatever can be written here. I do not need any private information.
Sure. let’s not try to shame though.
tactics are fun.
Your car analogy is rather cute.
Cheers.
The last line was meant to aim at someone else btw.
You are really messed up dude...
We defend what you think you have to attack because of your strange opinion, so just keep your idiotic bullshit.
I am still not following. What action do you think alfa might take and what action do you think I might take?
I do not have any specific action in mind - there is a lot of options. They might end up being the same. Or not.
Okay. Your post merely reinforced my belief that downvote abuse is much too easy, and almost never countered. In fact, the way the system is set up, there is no effective way to counter the abuse. I'm not sure alfa would be persuaded, though.
Some have said that the 'community' can counter any supposed downvote abuse by simply upvoting the content to overcome the DVs. There are two major flaws with that argument.
The first deals with timing. A large stakeholder intent on punishing another accountholder can simply wait until the very last minute and apply the DV, thus negating any chance of the 'community' coming to the rescue of the author.
Secondly, even if the community does 'come the rescue' by upvoting a heavily-downvoted post, they are doing so to their own detriment, because their curation rewards are reduced proportionately to the size of the downvote. Whereas DVs cost the DV'er nothing, the malicious downvoter, intent on abusing another accountholder, can do so ad infinitum because it costs them nothing, but is costly to both the targeted author and the community striving to support that author. At some point, the other side (author or curators or both) will grow tired of essentially subsidizing the DV'ers actions, with no end in sight.
Little correction, Dach does not represent the 3 countries, only the apronym in big Letter DACH or D-A-CH.
Verstehe sein Problem immer noch nicht, naja muss man ja auch nicht, gibt wichtigeres.
Ano ano ano. Bla, bla, bla ... a Země je dutý plochý disk.
Konspirační teoretici
You are absolutely right. My concerns are just based on the fact I consider your approach zoomed in way too far.
Firstly, malicious DV needs a formal definition. I call my DVs malicious because the intent to defund DVed accounts is obvious. Lots of confusion can arise simply by people having four possible combinations of labeling my/DACH DV as malicious or not.
This is the only statement I disagree with. My malicious DVs demonstrate there is a limit to the abuse I can put on DACH.
Large or small is only relevant in comparison of two sides. It does not work in vacuum. Noone is larger than Hive.
This is not account-vs-account thing. It is community-vs-account that can be easily extended to community-vs-community. There is a long list of accounts that publicly exclaimed their side. Anyone wishing to pick my side can downvote them. It helps much more than upvoting into bottomless holes.
I do not care how many battles (zero rewards posts) I have to lose before winning the war.
Wars are costly. Quick and early is less costly than appeasement.
Naja, fachlich-sachlich ich auch nicht.
Er will halt offenbar einen Kreuzzug gegen die "most toxic" (wie er es nennt) deutschsprachige "Community" mit seinen personal blacklists führen, will nun auch andere dazu per "civil war" animieren, an seinem crusade teilzunehmen.
Und er verbreitet dabei wirklich lächerlichsten Bullshit (musst mal nur die ganzen hanebüchenen Unterstellungen lesen, was ich so alles tue, wer ich bin, welche Nöte mich offenbar so plagen-müsse mich als vermeintlicher "Ausländer"-da ich zwei Pässe habe- lieb Kind machen im DACH-Breich, und wessen phone number ich z.B. nach seiner Meinung so habe😀 und welche Zweitaccounts ich haben könnte -hab nur einen😀-, @barmbo u. @kirstin könnte ich ja sein, weil ich 2019 gleichzeitg an beide ein bischen HP delegiert habe und die beiden schon lange immer wieder mal upvote) und sieht sich als selbsternannter Bewahrer des reinen Contents.
Dann will er einen tschechisch-deutschen Konflikt hier offenbar konstruieren, was auf Seiten der deutschsprachigen genauso hanebüchen ist, der einzige der ein Problem hat, ist er. Ich geh lieber regelmäßig mit tschechischen Freunden von mir auf die Jagd z.B. und bin häufiger und gerne in Tschechien.
Das hat alles auch einen gewissen Unterhaltungswert, was er da so ausbrütet, ich habe es ja gestern noch in Reimform gefasst😀.
Einen größeren Vollpfosten mit little policeman Gebahren hab ich nun lange nicht mehr getroffen hier und solange er weiter auf Basis seiner blacklists downvotet wird er eben nun auch von mir "malicious"😀, wie er es nennt,downgevotet.
Von solchen Typen taucht immer mal wieder einer auf, das kenn ich nun auch schon lange.
BGvB.
Du hast zwei Pässe oder glaubt er das nur?
Und selbst wenn? Ich habe kein DACH-Pass, was dann mit mir?
Habe das gefühl, das er vielleicht einfach nur neidisch ist?
Blöd gefragt, selbst wenn jemand zwri, drei, vier Accounts hat, was hat das für einen Vorteil? Einizgen den ich wüsste ist, man könnte sich selber Upviten ohne das es als Selfvote direkt gesehrn wird. Aber wie ich mitbekimmen habe gibt es ja genügend die das ja machen, also selfvotes, und es gäbe ja auch andere Möglichkeiten.
Vielleicht gäbe es ja nich einen Vorteil wenn man bei den Spielen (Splinterlands, risingstar) etc. Mehrere accoubts hat, aber der Aufwand wäre auch doch hoch, wohl höher als der Nutzen.
Hat er nicht zudem selber min. zwei Accounts!?
Yes, I follow you.
And, yes, you are correct in that, under the current 'code' the only way to combat malicious DV'ing is by enlisting whale accounts to enter into a DV war with the 'abusing' account. Because DVs cost nothing, they can be used with impunity, forever, unless and until there is a genuine penalty brought to bare against the abuser.
The problem then becomes, a whale penalizing an abuser could then be labeled (by someone sympathetic to the abuser) as abusing the abuser.
So, it's hard to see where this sorts itself out.
BTW, I am definitely open to creative solutions, especially on Layer 2, where they can be tried and tested and easily reverted if things don't go as expected.
Nur mal zur internen Aufklärung: @kirstin und @barmbo sind unter 1 IP online! Warum sollten denn meine Frau und ich auch verschiedene Internetzugänge nutzen? Wir gehen zu denselben Zeiten online, wäre auch Quatsch wenn wir uns nicht gleichzeitig um unsere Accounts kümmern würden. Irgendwie hat er wohl nichts besseres zu tun, oder ist ein Hobbydetektiv "Sherlock Humbug".
!BEER !LUV
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Lieber @balte, danke für deine Unterstützung!
Nein, Du hast keine gespaltene Persönlichkeit! :-)
!invest_vote
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Ich habe mir sowas schon gedacht, wie gesagt selbst wenn, würde ich da ja kein Problem drin sehen.
Gibt ja auch leute die schon einen Account für Ihre Kinder angelegt haben die nich nicht mal krabbeln können....
Ich selber würde nur mit Accounts Probleme haben wenn diese genutzt werden um Fake News etc zu verbreiten.
Der Typ vermutet dass Du und Kirstin ja ich sein könnte, weil ich Euch 2019 ein bischen HP gleichzeitig delegiert habe😂, oder Ihr seid eine Person, denkt er, ein echter Brüller, der detective.
"Sherlock Humbug" trifft es.
!invest_vote
!BEER
!LUV
Dazu gehören wir auch!!
Unser Enkelsohn war grad ein Tag alt, da hat Kirstin ihm einen Account erstellt. :-)
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Ja nicht verkehrt, was passiert bis er erwachsen ist, können wir nicht wissen, aber vielleicht ist das ja dann etwas was das Leben erleichtert dann.
Und selbst wenns nur für ein Fahrrad oder so mal langt, wäre das ja schon was.
I am curious as to what "winning the war" would look like, from your perspective.
The only reason why you will get malicious downvotes from me till you stop your stupid crusade and your little policeman behaviour are your bullshit assumptions and misrepresentations.
Best regards.
War ends when the shooting stops.
When that happens, go and look at my shopwindow. If it says "Workers of the world, unite" it counts as a loss.
War ends if guys like you stop stupid crusading due to our own ridiculous conspiracy-bullshit and your personal blacklists, its very easy. Best regrads.
Downvotes are feeless, not free.
Abuse is an artificial concept. Forcing people to live in freedom against their will is also a form of abuse.
Things do not scale infinitely. If everyone uses all the DV mana they have, the blockchain is still functional (even more than today because user preferemces are shaped better).
I happened to have drafted a creative post before reading this. You are probably not going to like it but you will find it stimulating. Out in a few days.
your are not happy to discuss, you only want to try to fight a "civial war2" against "the most toxic community", and you are just insulting a lot of people in your posts without any reasons, Thats how you act. Best regards.
Telling bullshit about a lot of free people is a form of abuse!
Best regards.
I agree (sort of). If downvotes become universally utilized to their maximum potential by everyone, then it simply becomes an inverse vote. However, the challenge then becomes how to maintain curation rewards. Because the DV can be sniped against a nemesis just before payout (to maximize the effective penalty), but the upvote cannot (well, it can, but at a greatly reduced curation percentage).
So, it ultimately becomes a battle of DV bots, and incentivizes the average user (author and curator) to figure out how to avoid the DVs (by not making anyone angry, and by not getting 'upvotes' from accounts with a hefty DV following them).
Hive becomes a Mad Max style lawlessness, where warlords fight each other and average folks just try to keep their heads down and stay out of the line of fire.
I fail to see how that ends up being positive or beneficial.
Hard to tell what's going on here. When I saw your DV of jelly's Splinterlands Barrel post (which I thought was a great post), I assumed you were maliciously downvoting him. After reading through some of the history, it now seems that he brought this on himself, by assuming the role of 'policeman' and seeking to enforce his own version of anti-abuse policies (or maybe trying to call attention to inconsistent application of hivewatcher's anti-abuse policies?).
In any event, all of this confirms my own dislike for the way DVs currently function. DV wars don't seem to benefit anyone, and cause a lot of collateral damage (similar to real wars, in that respect).
Honestly, you´re a fucked up psychopath🤦♂😆!
The flags for @louis88 AND @rivalzzz happen for a very good reason. Hint: Check the Accounts created with the profile of "the silent one" you tagged in your post - No assumptions, just not enough hard evidence to share in public, but definitly enough to make people aware - There is much more, have fun, seems like you enjoy stalking, but do it properly this time ;).
Funny by the way that the one mentioned here is not respronding, but the unmentioned twin which wants to leave Hive anyway is arriving in public with strange bullshit again :D.
"Your arrival" also was a very funny "coinsidence"... ;).^^
Hail Jellyler.
https://media.giphy.com/media/UW2aXa4YQZeqxckbXk/giphy.gif
What a pathetic move...
I can tell you what is going on here. This jelly-guy started as a little policeman a downvote-crusade only against german speaking and publishing accounts due to whatever and without any real discussion with this accounts,then he insulted a lot of free thinking and blogging people, calls people from Switzerland, Austria and Germany "the most toxic community" (he dont speak german by the way-as far as i know), he does one stupid misrepresentation and assumption after another, makes ridiculous speculations about phonenumbers, my second accounts (i only have one) and general motivations, then he tries to construct a german-czech conflict which is just ridiculous and goes on with his crusade and downvotes constantly by calling the downvotes he gets due to his behaviour "malicious".
The only toxic and malicious person in this game is this jelly-guy, nobody here understands his problems and he should solve them somewhere else.
I use my downvotepower not very often, the blockchain can tell you, last ones are more then one year ago even more, and nobody needs downvote wars.
But till he stop his stupid crusade he will get downvotes from me of course.
Best regards.
I am afraid you could be missing the core of this DV exchange because you are too payout-focused.
I am removing less than 1% of the enterprise revenue. That is insignificant for the balance sheet. Shoplifters manage that longterm and the shops are still in business. I do not think they care about the money. They pay more for marketing, upvoting accounts that cannot tell Dutch from Deutsch (but can recognize an open bar).
They do not complain about the monetary side either. I only remember mentioning there were new upvoters attracted. You can totally drop a few votes their way to keep things balanced in you want.
They complain about me insulting people. I agree, I do. I do not call anyone names (asymmetrical situation). I do publicly disclose the ways various accounts (translates to people) are losing their dignity. I do understand why balte needs to downvote my zero rewards comments as well - getting my posts muted is the goal, not defunding me. I think it is a rational reaction. Their system needs the people following the rituals of empty word posting to be left alone.
I understand there are people who need that money. I do not subscribe to forcing everyone on Earth to live in freedom. (See, another nationalistic pun from me).
I have no skin in HW game. I have no anti-abuse policies. I keep my place clean. While I think people should clean their places too, I surely do not blame them (or you specifically) for not doing so.
I would appreciate if you either put up a proposal to mute me in POB or give me pointers to what are the formal requisitions for posting one on my own. I would prefer not to cast collateral DVs there but the system unfortunately works the way it does. I do not want to disturb your backyard either (but I am using the tag until resolution and I sincerely hope the proposal gets rejected).
Can you specify how broad is the word "this" supposed to be understood?
Is that a variation on "She triggered the rape by wearing such a short skirt"?
Or am I doing something socially dangerous and being fed with insincere feedback from my bubble?
I do not mean to be disrespectful, I just do not want any misunderstandings in our way and your statement is somewhat vague for its strength. It is not my first time in zero reputation area on Hive and I handle adversity (just adversity, not trolling) in a constructive way.
I read that Bastiat paper you posted a while ago and enjoyed it. May I ask you to read the Havel essay I had linked earlier to level the information asymmetry a bit? (First half or so, it is quite long)
Dann müsstest Du ja die halbe deutschsprachige Gemeinschaft sein, weil Du hier viele unterstützt hast. Ohne deinen Support wären viele nicht dahingekommen wo sie heute stehen. Dafür gebührt dir Dank und keinerlei Anschuldigung! !BEER !LUV :-)
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Lieber @barmbo,
Danke für Deine Worte, ich antworte Dir mal ausführlich, da gerade Zeit ist und ich etwas Ruhe habe.
:))).
Stimmt, der denkt offenbar, das ich die Hälfte der accounts selber bin und die andere Hälfte wohl "gekauft" hätte, womit er wieder z.B. die Freigeister von der @hiq z.B. und andere schlicht beleidigt, und nur weil ich zu verschiedenen accounts delegiere.
Was ist das den bitte für eine Sicht auf freie Blogger und Individuen im D-A-CH Bereich hier?
Aber er beleidigt eben gerne, wie er selbst schreibt.
Jetzt sagt er wieder in einem Comment, dass ich ihn downvote, weil ich seine Stimme unterdrücken will und muss, um das Geschäftsmodell hier aufrecht zu erhalten (jedenfalls versteht man das so in seinem für mich etwas merkwürdigem Englisch), naja nun muss er sich wohl in die "arme Opferrolle" begeben.
Will und muss ich natürlich nicht, nur soll er seine Crusade im D-A-Ch-Bereich beenden und seine dummen und bösartigen Unterstellungen hier einstellen, sonst gibts eben weiter downvotes.
Und die Sprache der sog. Community, die wirklich sehr heterogen ist und die er als "toxisch2 benennt, versteht er ja nicht mal wirklich.
Vielleicht hat er ein Problem mit Deutschen, vielleicht ein Aufmerksamkeitsdefizitsyndrom, keine Ahnung, aber sieht auch die Ösis und Schweizer hier in einer "most toxic" Community "verschwörerisch" vereint.
Jeder weiß hier z.B. eigentlich, dass ich nur einen account habe und auch immer nur einen hatte, zu blocktrades oder anderen sehr großen accounts habe ich kaum oder gar keinen Kontakt, weil ich mich halt zu 95% im D-A-CH Bereich bewege.
Der "supporter" oder "Kurator" hat grundsätzlich recht viel von seiner Content-und Projekt-Unterstützung und dem eigenen Staking + Uppowern (ca 11-12% Hive-ROI p.a over all, das is doch echt gut und ausreichend), das ist auch ein Wesen der Hive-Blockchain.
Ich habe das immer als für "Investoren" eigentlich attraktiv empfunden und
ich habe auch immer gesagt, dass ich hier nicht rein "altruistisch" agiere z.B., bin u.a. ein "Investor", und zwar einer, der eben die vielen großartigen Möglichkeiten dieser chain erkannt hat, schon lange ja.
Ein Hard-core-Kapitalisten-Wal, der nur seinen eigenen "hivellen"😀 Vorteil sieht,
bin ich nun -in meiner Selberwahrnehmung zumindest- auch nicht, ich denke "Liberalitas bavariae" oder "Leben und leben lassen" trifft es ganz gut.
Das versuche ich auf meine Art immer zu leben hier, aber wenn einer das derart bösartig und sachlich-fachlich falsch attackiert und bullshit verbreitet, werde ich natürlich meine recht großen Möglichkeiten zur Bullshitabwehr schon nützen:
"Qui vis pacem, para bellum"
Der Austausch mit so vielen hier macht weiter viel Spass, ist ein schöner Zeitvertreib- neben dem anstrengenden Beruf- und diese social media Chain funktioniert grundsätzlich wirklich gut.
"Projektbegleitung" von Jungs wie von der @nbs.gmbh bringt auch Freude, und wenn es gut geht ev auch "hiveell" etwas, aber das ist ja nicht das einzige hier, was ich unterstütze.
Also, wenn der dieser jelly-guy mit Unterstellungen und downvotes aufhört, soll er seiner weiteren Wege gehen und sich ggf. in anderen "Communities" ausleben, wenn nicht, kann er gerne weiter seinen crusade führen, die Rep is ja schon auf null.
BGvB.
"I do understand why balte needs to downvote my zero rewards comments as well - getting my posts muted is the goal"
"Their system needs the people following the rituals of empty word posting to be left alone."
That why you get another downvote, all of your words are in the blockchain, nobody wants to keep you silent. But if your only aim is insulting people, then you have to live with the downvotes. And there is no "their system".
What wrong with you??
"They complain about me insulting people. I agree, I do. I do not call anyone names (asymmetrical situation). I do publicly disclose the ways various accounts (translates to people) are losing their dignity"
Why you are telling lies here, you gave a personal blacklist of account-names in your main-posts.
Who is losing dignity, if he is supported by upvotes??
Again, whats wrong with you??
And "Bastiat"at the end??😂
I dont think, that you understood this great french liberal oeconomist, otherwise you would not do your stupid crusade and your senseless insultings.
I dont think-if i look to yout behaviour, posts and comments, that you have any "liberal roots", just "little policeman-roots".
Best regards.