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Dealing with difficult people
I’m having a bit of a problem and I’m not sure what to do about this because it could cost me my job, which is the last thing I need. I’m rather hacked off with my line manager at work, our Head of technology. Let’s call him Bob, not his real name of course but I’d rather not use his real name. Sounds a bit dramatic perhaps? But that’s my choice!
I’m a month away from completing my probation with this lovely company. Everyone is sublime, lovely, friendly and happy to help you as much as they can. Admittedly very few of them understand what it is we do on the Tech department, it’s a unique set of skillets after all.
I joined the company as what we call in the industry, a “Full Stack Developer”, which basically means you work on databases, back-end systems and front-end UIs etc. The whole caboodle. There are less roles these days perhaps for specialist front-end developers than there was because of AI and other reasons. So after being made redundant, I took a change of tack and decided to work with something new or that I hadn’t used in years; but could pick up quickly again.
The programming language is Ruby on Rails. I was honest with my initial interviewer thatI hadnt worked with Ruby recently (a non technical man) and then took a second interview with the tech team as it was, passed the tech test without any problems and got on very nicely with the interview panel. I was buzzing and when offered the job, ecstatic because they’re a cool company.
They hadn’t employed the Head of Tech and were on the brink of offering Bob his job.
Two weeks later Bob and I started on the same day and all was fine.
The thing is, as we’ve started to settle in I’ve come to realise that Bob is highly opinionated on various things and if I do anything a bit differently, even just a bit, he becomes quite aggressive; makes me feel like I don’t know what I’m doing.
Today I quit.
No I didn’t - but we were having a heated debate on the use of AI and the way in which I did something, he didn’t agree with that it’s left me thinking, is this the way all code reviews will go. His ego will always kick in, he’s just been doing Ruby for twenty years blah blah.
I posted a goodbye message to the team on Teams and turned my computer off. I wasn’t going to continue the conversation. Nobody talks to me like I’m an idiot. It was coming up to 5pm and I’d been working since 8am.
Bob is like this a little bit with other people. He’s obsessed with his own favours system, like he’s the most important person in the room and instructed us, his team to turn people away when they come to us for help. Sure enough we’re not tech support and maybe things need some kind of triage.
So what do I do?
- Have a frank conversation with him. He might be unaware that I’m upset. I mask it of course in the interests of remaining professional
- Talk to the HR team
We’re both on the same probation by the way.
I am getting better at Ruby. I love the language. I do use AI as an alternative to Google for putting stuff together, especially when we’re up against it.
I’m just really angry with him and hate asking him for help because if I don’t quite follow what he’s explaining he gets wound up.
It’s worth pointing out that he’s Polish and there is sometimes a bit of a challenge understanding what he’s getting at.
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Hmm, maybe Bob should improve his social skills and be more kind. But I would talk to the team first and to him as well, maybe he doesn't realise that the work is not enjoyable if he doesn't put more patience and kindness into discussions.
Recently, I had a little incident with one teenage student. He has been a bit demotivated in general lately so it's more difficult to work with him as he doesn't want to put any effort to learn challenging pieces. One day I played him several different pieces and wanted him to choose which one he likes, but then he just left the lesson before it finished and without greeting me, leaving me with the impression that I did something wrong. Like he went out angry and with anxiety, his mother was present and he showed disobedience to her as well. His reaction was quite immature. So I immediately called the director of the school and reported the thing and the next week when he came to his lesson I talked to that student. I told him it is not the way our lessons should go and if he doesn't like something it's better he tells me immediately or even better - quit the piano lessons completely as I also want to enjoy my work and I don't want to work in this way. So, he changed the attitude the same day 😆 and now we have again enjoyable lessons ;)
Sounds like a very bad, awful, terrible day.
I’m so glad there’s a place to rant here on Hive. You have good friends here, @nicklewis!!
Take care!
Tricky situation. Have you spoken to other people within the team or people that he interacts with to get their thoughts. It helps to reinforce your case if and when you speak to Bob or HR about it.
I think the rule of thumb is to talk to the person first, but only if you're comfortable with that. If nothing changes, go higher up.
I feel for you, it's a difficult situation !
Do you know what Bob was doing before he got the job as Head of Tech ? I wonder if he blagged it a little in his interview and is now desperately trying to prove (to himself as much as anyone) that he is up to the job. Another possibility to consider (and sorry if I'm stereotyping here) is that careers in IT have a higher than average percentage of people who are somewhere on the spectrum. It tends to make them incredibly good technically, but also appalling when it comes to people skills.
I guess all you can do is try to work out whether it's just that both of you are working out how you fit into new jobs and need to find ways to work together, or if it's just that Bob is a complete a$$hole and there's no way to fix it without one of you leaving. Sometimes it's as simple as having a discussion to set polite but firm boundaries, in order to work towards creating a situation of mutual respect. Other times, it's working out how to get him to trip himself up and fail probation without the finger landing back on you ;)
That's not great. Going into a new job you won't generally know the people you will work with. There has to be some give and take as people have different ways of working. I'm not against people imposing systems if it actually make the team more productive. I hope you can find some compromise as the company sounds good.
It's really difficult to deal with people who are overly opinionated because they always seem to think they're right. I think it's best to talk to him first so you can clearly understand what he wants. Let him know that you weren't comfortable with the way he handled things, as he may not even realize that the people around him are struggling to deal with his attitude at work.
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Happy Sunday everyone please read and share 🙏🏾
@acidyo @themarkymark and friends ✨⭕✨😂😂😂
Do you really think no one sees what you do 🤔
You took my rep away for no reason with the help of blocktrades delegation 😂
You and themarkymark work for blocktrades or are blocktrades 😂
You are so sad doing what you do
Promoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩
Selfvoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
You have downvoted so many people away for no reason
You really need to have a hard long look in the mirror and see what you have become
It doesn't matter if you have people who believe anything you say for a few cents or a few pennies 😂😂😂😂
Look at your buddy oldsoulnewb 😂😂😂😂😂
Everything is documented
So the choice is yours again leave me alone and bring my rep back and I will stop sharing the truth
You can call my long copy paste comments spam but it only makes you look stupid 😂

I hope you understand you are only making it worse 😂
Hive is not a game it might be a big game to you 🤔
It seems you love to game Hive don't you 😜
Everyone sees don't you think it's time to stop 🛑
You have shown all the real issues with Hive 😂 you have shown why real people couldn't invest in Hive and build on Hive 😂
You are in god mode 😂 activated 😂 you Marky Dan and others 😂😂😂😂😜
I hope you enjoyed this post or you might see in comment from 😂 which you like to call spam 😂😂😂
Happy Sunday everyone please read and share 🙏🏾
@acidyo @themarkymark and friends ✨⭕✨😂😂😂
Do you really think no one sees what you do 🤔
You took my rep away for no reason with the help of blocktrades delegation 😂
You and themarkymark work for blocktrades or are blocktrades 😂
You are so sad doing what you do
Promoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩
Selfvoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
You have downvoted so many people away for no reason
You really need to have a hard long look in the mirror and see what you have become
It doesn't matter if you have people who believe anything you say for a few cents or a few pennies 😂😂😂😂
Look at your buddy oldsoulnewb 😂😂😂😂😂
Everything is documented
So the choice is yours again leave me alone and bring my rep back and I will stop sharing the truth
You can call my long copy paste comments spam but it only makes you look stupid 😂

I hope you understand you are only making it worse 😂
Hive is not a game it might be a big game to you 🤔
It seems you love to game Hive don't you 😜
Everyone sees don't you think it's time to stop 🛑
You have shown all the real issues with Hive 😂 you have shown why real people couldn't invest in Hive and build on Hive 😂
You are in god mode 😂 activated 😂 you Marky Dan and others 😂😂😂😂😜
I hope you enjoyed this post or you might see in comment from 😂 which you like to call spam 😂😂😂
Happy Sunday everyone please read and share 🙏🏾
@acidyo @themarkymark and friends ✨⭕✨😂😂😂
Do you really think no one sees what you do 🤔
You took my rep away for no reason with the help of blocktrades delegation 😂
You and themarkymark work for blocktrades or are blocktrades 😂
You are so sad doing what you do
Promoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩
Selfvoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
You have downvoted so many people away for no reason
You really need to have a hard long look in the mirror and see what you have become
It doesn't matter if you have people who believe anything you say for a few cents or a few pennies 😂😂😂😂
Look at your buddy oldsoulnewb 😂😂😂😂😂
Everything is documented
So the choice is yours again leave me alone and bring my rep back and I will stop sharing the truth
You can call my long copy paste comments spam but it only makes you look stupid 😂

I hope you understand you are only making it worse 😂
Hive is not a game it might be a big game to you 🤔
It seems you love to game Hive don't you 😜
Everyone sees don't you think it's time to stop 🛑
You have shown all the real issues with Hive 😂 you have shown why real people couldn't invest in Hive and build on Hive 😂
You are in god mode 😂 activated 😂 you Marky Dan and others 😂😂😂😂😜
I hope you enjoyed this post or you might see in comment from 😂 which you like to call spam 😂😂😂
Happy Sunday everyone please read and share 🙏🏾
@acidyo @themarkymark and friends ✨⭕✨😂😂😂
Do you really think no one sees what you do 🤔
You took my rep away for no reason with the help of blocktrades delegation 😂
You and themarkymark work for blocktrades or are blocktrades 😂
You are so sad doing what you do
Promoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩
Selfvoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
You have downvoted so many people away for no reason
You really need to have a hard long look in the mirror and see what you have become
It doesn't matter if you have people who believe anything you say for a few cents or a few pennies 😂😂😂😂
Look at your buddy oldsoulnewb 😂😂😂😂😂
Everything is documented
So the choice is yours again leave me alone and bring my rep back and I will stop sharing the truth
You can call my long copy paste comments spam but it only makes you look stupid 😂

I hope you understand you are only making it worse 😂
Hive is not a game it might be a big game to you 🤔
It seems you love to game Hive don't you 😜
Everyone sees don't you think it's time to stop 🛑
You have shown all the real issues with Hive 😂 you have shown why real people couldn't invest in Hive and build on Hive 😂
You are in god mode 😂 activated 😂 you Marky Dan and others 😂😂😂😂😜
I hope you enjoyed this post or you might see in comment from 😂 which you like to call spam 😂😂😂
Happy Sunday everyone please read and share 🙏🏾
@acidyo @themarkymark and friends ✨⭕✨😂😂😂
Do you really think no one sees what you do 🤔
You took my rep away for no reason with the help of blocktrades delegation 😂
You and themarkymark work for blocktrades or are blocktrades 😂
You are so sad doing what you do
Promoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩
Selfvoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
You have downvoted so many people away for no reason
You really need to have a hard long look in the mirror and see what you have become
It doesn't matter if you have people who believe anything you say for a few cents or a few pennies 😂😂😂😂
Look at your buddy oldsoulnewb 😂😂😂😂😂
Everything is documented
So the choice is yours again leave me alone and bring my rep back and I will stop sharing the truth
You can call my long copy paste comments spam but it only makes you look stupid 😂

I hope you understand you are only making it worse 😂
Hive is not a game it might be a big game to you 🤔
It seems you love to game Hive don't you 😜
Everyone sees don't you think it's time to stop 🛑
You have shown all the real issues with Hive 😂 you have shown why real people couldn't invest in Hive and build on Hive 😂
You are in god mode 😂 activated 😂 you Marky Dan and others 😂😂😂😂😜
I hope you enjoyed this post or you might see in comment from 😂 which you like to call spam 😂😂😂
Happy Sunday everyone please read and share 🙏🏾
@acidyo @themarkymark and friends ✨⭕✨😂😂😂
Do you really think no one sees what you do 🤔
You took my rep away for no reason with the help of blocktrades delegation 😂
You and themarkymark work for blocktrades or are blocktrades 😂
You are so sad doing what you do
Promoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩
Selfvoting your 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
You have downvoted so many people away for no reason
You really need to have a hard long look in the mirror and see what you have become
It doesn't matter if you have people who believe anything you say for a few cents or a few pennies 😂😂😂😂
Look at your buddy oldsoulnewb 😂😂😂😂😂
Everything is documented
So the choice is yours again leave me alone and bring my rep back and I will stop sharing the truth
You can call my long copy paste comments spam but it only makes you look stupid 😂

I hope you understand you are only making it worse 😂
Hive is not a game it might be a big game to you 🤔
It seems you love to game Hive don't you 😜
Everyone sees don't you think it's time to stop 🛑
You have shown all the real issues with Hive 😂 you have shown why real people couldn't invest in Hive and build on Hive 😂
You are in god mode 😂 activated 😂 you Marky Dan and others 😂😂😂😂😜
I hope you enjoyed this post or you might see in comment from 😂 which you like to call spam 😂😂😂
😂 oh wow, you have quite the patience.
😂
Well, if he didn't react to his mother when she was yelling at him, then it's better to find a different way 😁
Thank you. I’ve spoken to him today about sorting the issues out with the code and to see how different an angle he’s coming from. Have partly sorted the problem. Then when that’s out of the door, I’ll have a polite chat with him about it.
Thanks again for your advice. You’re spot on.
I think we’ve found some compromise today AB’s above all else set stakeholder expectations a bit. Next time we do something similar to this, it will be easier and can probably be rolled out in far less time.
I’ll have an off the record chat with him about personality matters but in a polite way and what I can do to improve the way i do things.
It should be a two way thing.
Sounds like you’ve got a good idea of this situation as all of the points you made are spot on. I think he might be on the spectrum and I often think that I am. He’s definitely very good at RoR but not so good on TypeScript (my forte) and people skills are in need of refinement.
You may be right that his track record may have been in other areas and not held a Head role before.
I am confident that I can fix this as of today. We’ve spoken and have sorted out much of the confusion that existed last week.
I haven’t to be honest but there’s one person who’ll be in the office with me tomorrow on our hybrid days and he’s a man who can articulate his thoughts eloquently without prejudice or bias. Quite a rare human!
I’ve spoken to “Bob” today and he’s been civil. We’ve stepped back and rewriting some of the code but spent a good hour on Teams talking through it.
Have spoken to him today to sort the issues out but I will have the firm, fair and blunt chat with him if we start doing 121 sessions again or as an informal chat with no ears around.
Just been saying to the others that I feel confident we can sort it out between us. I don’t think he’s aware that he caused upset but I wanted to resolve the issues first - then think carefully about what I say.
This community is clearly popular. Your story definitely resonates with mine. Someone you have to be a bit bold and say, “Wooooo stop! That’s not fair, you’re being very rude and this is not the working relationship I’d like us to suffer. Can we break this all down as great deal more, so that u can see where I’ve gone wrong and learn from it. “