Scariest deception going on.

Where is this quote from? I have searched for the Decretal, de Tranlat. Episcop, Cap, and I can only find websites that say the Pope is Antichrist. Is there an actual document that Catholics read that says this? If so, How can I find it so I can read it in context?

http://www.giveshare.org/HolyDay/changeofsabbath/change-of-sabbath-18.html

I can't find it from a Catholic source, just from sources "exposing" Catholics. I'm not a Catholic, but I dialog with them all the time, and they have an enormous amount of their stuff online.

The link you posted appears to be a seventh day Adventist site, not a Catholic one. The site is a little deceptive as well. For one thing, I can't find The Roman Decretalia anywhere online except 7DA sites, and I was raised and educated Catholic, have never heard of it. For another, the "Catechism" the Catholic Church uses is titled "Catechism of the Catholic Church," not “Catholic Catechism of Christian Religion.” I can't find that title anywhere on the Internet either. The quotes attributed to it are only found on the site you linked to, which is weird because the entire Catholic Catechism is available online for free.

There are lots of things to criticism the Catholics about, but it's important to be honest when doing so. Your sources do not appear to be real, and even if they are they do not appear to be mainstream Catholic sources. For your reference, you can find the Catechism here and the Code of Cannon Law here

You should be more careful when "calling out deception" not to use deceptive sources. If you claim Catholics teach something, you really need to get it from their source. How would you feel If I posted Catholic material abuut Seventh Day Adventists and what they teach?

Look at this site. The quote is from an dictionary https://ahayahyashiyaisraelitesunite.wordpress.com/posts/vatican-claims-power-to-change-gods-law/

Well, again I can't find any original source material for that. There are some Catholic forums where the Catholics are asking each other if they had ever heard of the "dictionary" cited, and none of them had. This is just poor research methodology, and it's actually slander. You need to post the source material if you are going to say "Catholics teach this," and really, it needs to be something that Catholics actually use.

It seems to me that you are just going from one anti-Catholic site to the next looking for ammo, but you haven't bothered looking in the actual sources they Catholics use, which I linked to so you could do that. Why? Do you not see a problem with using obscure texts as a source to claim that "Catholics teach" something, when they have their actual sources posted publicly?

What is your angle, anyway? There are plenty of things in the ACTUAL Catholic sources you could be using to criticize the Catholics, why would you use this stuff that only appears on websites dedicated to Sabbatarianism?

I maintain that this is flat out dishonest. Produce an original text, or stop using the "source." Or, admit you are biased and have an agenda that you are trying to push even at the expense of honesty.

The quotes are from a ecclesiastical dictionary that is referenced many times on the sites provided. But here is the change in the laws so that you know who the dishonest one is. If you will compare the two images, you will notice changes to the laws of God.

I agree that the Ten Commandments are numbered differently in Catholicism, but there isn't a numbering scheme in the Bible, so it's not really dishonest. Both schemes leave a bunch of words out, so you can use the same logic to call them bothe dishonest if you want to be that way.

Again, the sites you linked to are biased sources that do not link to the original source material. They cannot be trusted to demonstrate Catholic teaching. Why can't you find it on the OFFICIAL sources I linked for you? Because it's not there, probably. This is like using quotes from a Nazi website saying the Jews run the world, without the Nazi's even linking to the relevant quotes... Can't you see a problem? I can't verify that the quotes you posted are legitimate, accurately represented, or even relevant to Catholicism. Can you? Where is the source material that I can compare the quote to? Can I buy it on Amazon? Is it going to be at the Library? Is it at the Catholic bookstore? IT COULD BE ENTIRELY MADE UP!

Exodus 20 New International Version (NIV)
The Ten Commandments

20 And God spoke all these words:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. (This is the Context, and tells us WHO the commandments are for)

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

(I notice that you cut this one short, as all sabbatarians do because it clearly links the command to the Land, a theme often reiterated in the OT. Also, it's a pretty hard standard to make sure none of your "male or female servants" or "foreigners residing in your town" are working. Do you enforce this where you live? Do you use electricity on the Sabbath? Walk the dog?)

12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

(What land could this possibly be referring to...???)

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Some interesting stuff from the parallel passage in Deuteronomy 5:

It starts out like this:

The Ten Commandments

5 Moses summoned all Israel and said:

Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors[a] that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:

This is all context. Who did God make the covenant with at Horeb? The Israelites. Clearly, it " was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today." Were you there with Moses, or are you a descendant of those people?

Relevant section on the Sabbath:

12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Were you a slave in Egypt? What is that in there for? It seems to me that it is clearly saying WHO the commandment is for. The reason why, the "therefore" is specifically stated as God brought them out of Egypt." Didn't quote that section of the Ten Commandments, did you?

I cut it short to show in the simplest forms the differences. Look at the second commandment of the Catholic commandments. It is missing. They took out the worship of idols. Why? Because the pope can think to change laws of God.

No, that's ridiculous. They cut it short to avoid difficult questions about all the statues of Mary, Jesus, and the saints. Just like you cut the Sabbath commandment short to avoid difficult questions about who the commandments were given to in the first place. Can Ellen G White change the Laws of God?

My friend they cut the second commandment out all together. It’s not there.

Okay, if you say so. I posted the relevant texts, where were the numbers? I missed them...

Look at the relevant text that you posted and the numbering of this Catholic commandments. They don’t match up. Number 2 is missing and the 9th command is duplicate of the last.

There are no numbers in the bible!

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