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Vaccination - Rudeness- TRUTH
Someone just called me "rude". Well, he/she didn't exactly say that I am rude but my COMMENT was rude.
And you know what? It's true. My comment was rude and I won't apologize for it. I never was able to accept any bullshit and I am hated because I like to call out what bullshits are and they don't deserve politeness.
Let me tell you a short real life story.
A couple of years ago, I found out that I have the polycystic syndrome. It's very simple. A woman who has polycystic syndrome will have trouble conceiving a baby, her hemorrhage will be excessive and painful etc.
A couple of weeks ago, I read somewhere on The INTERNET, that whoever has a polycystic syndrome, consequently has endometriosis which is very COMMON amongst PCOS. Right?
The first thing my doctor told me: "Did you read about endometriosis on the internet?"
Red on the face, I said "Yes". And for the first time in my life, I didn't have any facts, pieces of evidence or statistics to support my claim. Truth is whatever I read or I thought I had was not TRUE.
Whoever had studied logistics, they will know what these mean:
- If T and T then, T
- If T and F, then F
- If F and T, then F
- If F and F, then F
There is only one probability, your claim will be true: when all premises are true. If there is a single premise that is false, then the final statement is FALSE; it doesn't matter whether you have 4 true premises, and one false premise: the final outcome is FALSE.
There is a big online discussion about kid vaccination. There are some private individuals who suddenly became doctors overnight and they claim that vaccines are dangerous to kids and they are associated with autism, Epilepsia, and whatnot.
Let me ask you a question. Are you vaccinated? Because I AM.
Let me ask you the second question. Do you have autism or Epilepsia, as a result of vaccines you did? I don't. How about you? Feel free to answer in the comment.
Look, I have friends who are doctors and I would trust them with my own life. It would be fucking silly to think that any doctor who suggests you vaccinating your kid has to do something with a global conspiracy about killing kids.
Ask any doctor who did more than 6 years of study in medicine, has more than 5 years experience and they will tell you the fucking same thing:
VACCINATE YOUR KIDS.
I won't start to quote her REAL scientific quote from real medicinal doctors. And before you trust anything online, please consult with 5 different doctors and they will tell you the same thing.
I DARE you to go and ask a doctor who works for international organizations like Doctors without borders or Red Cross.
THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. (you know what)
I don't have kids, okay. As a parent, I believe it will be hard to take decisions about their health and future life.
But what you do is trying to get as much as information you can and trust me when I tell you: It comes neither from the Internet nor your wishful thinking.
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wooow
good post
Here's my anecdotal data.
I really don't know whether to laugh or cry
thanks!
Join some fb groups for the parents of vaccine injured children. You will most definitely be crying. I couldn't take it and had to get out after the project I was on ended.
I went there for research about two years ago and there are two types of groups I found.
The possible illnesses are well spelled out on the inserts to the shots, but most parents don't have them or read them until they are forced to.
Both groups use protocols to detox out as much of the harmful items as possible in the first two weeks after the shots. The damaging material is in the solution for the most part - additives that have nothing to do with protecting the herd.
I'm in Thailand now where there are only 7 shots - recommended - none mandatory. Not sure why us kids need upwards of 60 of them - most required. It must be a weak herd over there.
first of all and please MEMORIZE IT:
autism is not a DISEASE. get to know some autist people and you will understand what I mean
2nd: there is no need for detox. If a human body was really intoxicated they would be dead in a few minutes.
3rd: before joining unrealistic group medical researchers, as I mentioned please do try to ask FIVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS from doctors.
edit: ASK REAL DOCTORS WITH MORE THAN 20 years of work experience
@thebluepanda very informative post have a good day ahead thankyou
good one
Doctors get their money from big pharma and so are not the best source. However, many are getting out of the biz since they do not like to cause harm.
or you can ask the doctors that work in third world countries.
Maybe in America but that doesn't happen in all countries and doctors ALL OVER THE WORLD say to get your kids immunised.
Please provide proof of your comment from a legitimate source.
Here is where you report vaccine injury to the cdc when they happen - your first step to vaccine court. This is the first link on their site since it is so frequently used. Good list of possible symptoms to various vaccines and additives and warnings about certain batches.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/
Regarding kickbacks to doctors:
http://raisingnaturalkids.com/kickbacks-pediatrician-gets-vaccinating/
US Federal Court for Vaccine Claims
This is why you cannot sue the drug companies and it is a very busy court. Links to the various injuries and whether you are part of a "class" or need to come to court on your own.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
Doctors getting out - see you tube for their interviews
The kids look healthy and they rarely get any shots since they are only recommended.
wow , who was it who said get your damn vaccine , you sound just like them , you have to be a real dumb ass to give your kids health over to " the experts " have you considered the Amish and their lack of autism , and vaccines, as for you not having any of these ailments , well did you get the full schedule required today , and maybe you could put your money where your big mouth is and have them over the next year to demonstrate just how safe they are ,
have you looked up the CDC OFFICIALS DISCUSS NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE FROM VACCINES IN SECRET MEETING – SIMPSONWOOD
good post please follow me and upvote my post
There are major differences depending on the medical situation in that country. It is also progressing day by day, it is very difficult. It's hard to get a complete answer.
'The kids look healthy and they rarely get any shots since they are only recommended."
"My kids look healthy, they rarely get food because its only recommended"
"why us kids need upwards of 60 of them"
many are booster shots that allow us to build up a resistance to stuff like tetanus
when an epidemic starts and everyone around you ends up being slaughtered by it don't come crying to us, because you will be in quarantine.
"Join some fb groups for the parents of vaccine injured children. You will most definitely be crying."
yeah, because I will have lost all faith in humanity after seeing your absolute stupidity.
"Amish and their lack of autism"
one reason could be they don't bother diagnosing it, another is that it is mainly genetic and so they only breed in their own groups.
" the experts "
you trust the experts to build the operating system your computer runs on. You trust the " the experts " to keep your credit card information safe, you trust " the experts " to keep you safe from robberies, you trust " the experts " to keep your electricity running and the wiring in your house safe.
there have been thousands upon thousands of studies proving they are safe.
you trust "the experts" to tell you vaccines cause autism.
Oh no wait, the first "expert" to find the link was ejected from science long ago for falseifying information because he couldn't make any discoveries because he was a shit scientist.
let me guess, you're scared of all the dihydrogen monoxide in our pipes?
have you looked up "Analysis of 10 studies involving more than 1.2 million children reaffirms that vaccines don’t cause autism; MMR shot may actually decrease risk"
"Analysis of 10 studies involving more than 1.2 million children reaffirms that vaccines don’t cause autism; MMR shot may actually decrease risk"
The internet is a source of information. Some good and some not as good. Information is only as good as the source.
I know you probably won't change your mind until something happens to you or someone you know, but vaccines are not the answer. Most young people think that they know things. Things taught or learned at a college or university. They never consider the source of that information. They believe if it comes out of the college, it must be true.
This is true for doctors also. And of course doctors do some good things. Emergency medicine is necessary. However, you need to consider the source of their information to become doctors. And it isn't science. Everything that is taught is able to be presented/manipulated.
Bottom line, don't believe everything spoon fed to you by the "experts". Everything has an agenda when it is backed by big money interests. Always consider who is paying the bills.
have you looked up
'Radiation is good for you,' says Ann Coulter as she weighs in on Japan's nuclear crisis
depends who does the study , really doesn't it , but seriously will you take the full schedule of vaccines and put it on youtube , i will pay to see it
"but seriously will you take the full schedule of vaccines and put it on youtube"
What do you mean by that?
i trust scientific studies , because as you may or may not know there is not one scientific study , a double blind study to back up vaccines are safe , and a tonne of evidence to support the opposite , by the way are you paid to come on these sites ??
vaccines are essentially putting weakened pathogens into your body so you can learn to defend from that specific type. You are exposed to millions everyday, you are just able to fight them off as their symptoms are not as bad.
You are delusional if you think that can cause autism.
" by the way are you paid to come on these sites ??"
no retard. Nobody pays me to do a 2 second google search and give you the link.
"i trust scientific studies , because as you may or may not know there is not one scientific study , a double blind study to back up vaccines are safe , and a tonne of evidence to support the opposite , "
There are thousands proving I am correct. I have not seen one study giving any evidence of a link whatsoever.
Here is a short list of 75 studies proving me correct
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"i trust scientific studies , because as you may or may not know there is not one scientific study , a double blind study to back up vaccines are safe"
That is an absolute lie and you know it.
yes, i am going to trust "internet experts"
the double blind tests removed only the viral content still including the mercury , aluminium and other adjuvents , also they excluded from the results any child showing temperature increases any way its a billion dollar business , if you are really interested watch these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48
retard , nice , at least if your going to be a dumb ass you should get paid , other wise wheres the point
ironic
thousands of studies > your one study that still hasn't been cited
do you also believe in global warming ??
the additives in the vaccines are either present in amounts thousands of times that as a single vaccine or in the case of one, tested on animals at (50 thousand?) times the amount in the vaccine with no side-effects.
https://steemit.com/science/@anarchyhasnogods/the-reality-behind-vaccines
believe? its basic science lmao
let me guess, you think the earth is flat.
I was hoping you would not give a flip answer. Once you think you know everything, you will stop trying to learn. The point wasn't that the "internet" was the answer, but that the source of the information needs to be vetted. Everyone is a source. It comes down to who do you trust. You obvious trust the moneymakers. Good luck.
please look at both sides , when my daughter was young my wife was still on the fence , but the mothers and toddlers group she went to , a few of the children stopped talking and became lethargic , it turned out all these children had just recieved injections , THEY WENT FROM BABY TALK AND INQUISITIVE TO SILENT AND DOCILE
what should we think , any neurological damage ?? any life long consequences ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzdH4eRey1U
i mean i would love to watch you put your money where your mouth is and go and get some vaccines , maybe the ones given to babies up to the age of 5 , surely it would be a walk in the park for you , you could get them all on one visit , then video your self and put it on youtube , you may become famous like the man who ate MacDonald for a month
Anecdotes do not beat a studies of hundreds of millions of people.
Many vaccines make children sick for a short period of time, to build immunity. If encountered naturally they would instead likely kill the child.
I did get those vaccines?
Give it up, that isn't an argument
https://s26.postimg.org/u5nz6l6qx/Healthy_Baby-_Vaccination_Charts.jpg
http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/us-diphtheria-1900-1967.jpg
Dishonest
have you watched vaxxed yet i will post it soon and would like to hear your critical analysis , really , i am open minded just cautious and was involved in the medical profession for a number of years , and am surprised that now and again i meet people who are not cautious or slightly skeptical as to there safety or effectiveness, i suppose we agree to disagree
"i suppose we agree to disagree"
I have tens of thousands of studies proving me right.
You are delusional
"have you watched vaxxed yet"
I have not yet seen a real scientific study that can prove a link, so any videos are speaking from ignorance.
Delusional
"i am open minded just cautious and was involved in the medical profession for a number of years"
yet you think random youtube videos should be held over thousands of scientific studies.
so sum it up, I don't give a fuck what you think until you give me evidence to back it up
is today a special day or are you always this stupid , maybe your purpose is a warning to others , you really are a very naive and easily fooled by a few white coats , look go fart peas at the moon , dip shit
tens of thousands of scientific papers studying hundreds of millions of examples > you screaming like a retard over the internet.
go away now , and play nice
I hate that people just continue to deny this.
They only have 7 recommended shots and don't get them. No outbreaks. Hmm... Those Americans must really be weak or ill or something.
"herd im·mu·ni·ty
noun
the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.
"the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent""
I'm going to assume quite a few people get them.
also there are outbreaks in third world countries all the time
Look up the Vaccine court payouts for damages for tetanus shots and you may not be so eager to get your next one. The annual flu shot payouts are much higher though so pick your poison.
The only epidemics are in your head and on tv. Don't be fooled.
"a viral respiratory infection, killed over 500,000 children in 2003, more than any other vaccine-preventable disease. The measles death toll in Africa is so high – every minute one child dies"
so uhhhh, stop being stupid.
", referred to in the Old Testament as the “seventh-day death,” killed an estimated 200,000 newborns and 30,000 mothers in 2001. The tetanus bacteria are ubiquitous – they live in soil, in animal dung and in feces. Tetanus can infect newborns if the umbilical cord is cut with unsterile instruments or the incision treated with contaminated dressings."
"In acute respiratory infections such as diphtheria or pertussis, bacteria can attack the lungs or bronchial tubes, causing chronic coughs, pneumonia and breathing difficulties. Pertussis – also known as whooping cough – kills about 300,000 children a year, while a third respiratory infection, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) pneumonia kills about 500,000."
"Polio, a viral infection of the nervous system, can cause crippling paralysis within hours. Significant progress has been made towards eradicating the disease, but it remains a serious threat to children in areas where the wild poliovirus still circulates. The number of cases worldwide dropped from 350,000 in 1988 to under 1,300 in 2004.
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It's not me - I do not have a vaccine injured child. My family did not leave me because they cannot take facing the symptoms my kids suffers. I did not lose my job to take care of my kid for the rest of my life and his. This is what people talk about in those groups. You should join a few of them - your eyes will be opened to the pain these families face. Empathy is a good thing.
I'm in Thailand - I do not know what you face where you are but I do not drink tap water in any country.
"Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), prevalent mainly in developing countries, is estimated to cause approximately 3 million cases of serious disease and kills about 450,000 children every year. Most children die from pneumonia and a minority from meningitis. In developing countries about 40% of Hib meningitis cases are fatal, and 15-35% of children who survive are left with permanent disabilities. Despite gradual uptake of the Hib vaccine in developing countries, in 2001, only one in five children worldwide were immunized against Hib during the first year of life."
"Rotavirus, a pervasive wheel-shaped virus, is a leading cause of severe diarrhoea in infants and young children, particularly in the developing world. Currently, there is no vaccine approved for the disease, which kills 600,000 children under five each year."
so the name alone scares you does it
also security is often worse in bottled water, by around a factor of ten.
Yellow fever, a viral disease that occurs primarily in tropical and subtropical areas of Africa and South America, kills 30,000 each year. The virus is transmitted most often through the bite of the female Aedes aegypti mosquito. Once controlled fairly well by widespread vaccination and mosquito control, the disease is making a comeback and outbreaks are becoming more frequent.
"empathy is a good thing"
and then you proceed to ignore the millions of deaths due to vaccine preventable diseases. You are the person responsible for this slaughter. You disgust me.
The MMR studies are in Federal Court now as whistleblowers came out from the CDC and talked about the fake studies. Out of the many fake studies - the MMR are most obvious and so are being litigated. Leaked govt documents actually talk about the researchers changing numbers in this particular instance.
It is not only about autism. Go to the CDC site and find all the various illnesses, side effects, and possible reactions. It's written plain as day by your govt. Brain swelling and seizures occur in high rates for some of these shots.
Some of the percentages of harm exceed what is normally tolerated. This is so big pharma can keep making money even though the risks are so high.
"The MMR studies are in Federal Court now as whistleblowers came out from the CDC and talked about the fake studies. "
ironic. The first person to say vaccines caused autism did so through a fake study
side effects: You might get a little sick because this is a live virus, this one is made with egg protein so that we can incubate the virus safety so if you are allergic to eggs you might have a reaction, this one has some Bactria in it so you might get a fever for a day
It doesn't seem to happen anywhere unless WHO or Gates goes in to spread it. Don't forget who owns the patent to the Zika virus. Easily found out but often overlooked.
the problem here is capitalism. Vaccines that could save millions are instead sold at a profit to first world countries. There is nothing wrong with the vaccine itself.
No there are not. You are being fooled. Turn off the tv.
The only recent one in this region was 2016 in Northern Myanmar. This isolated area was targeted by the Gates crew for measles shots. After the shots, many got ill and over 50 kids died. No measles had ever been in that region before. That program was suspended.
Africa is a place where the illnesses follow the shots. Multiple countries no longer allow them when coming from the west. Other countries have to take them due to their World Bank loans.
Wow - you are really living in fear. This must be difficult. The US has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the first world and it is climbing. No unsterile umbilical cutters needed as the kids die all on their own. Getting shots on the day they are born may contribute to the early deaths, but it is not being studied so no one will ever know.
This combined with the plummeting birth rates of us born people is the reason the un is expecting depopulation in the us by 2040 and encouraging more immigration. You can find this information and the projections in the us agenda 2040 reports. It's not looking good for the us in particular.
Those numbers are worldwide or us? Where did they come from? The whooping cough shot is one of the least effective. The flu shot kills more than the flu on an annual basis. These stats are both from the cdc.
Polio is one of the very strange ones. It gets eradicated constantly and keeps coming back. It has odd and not consistent symptoms. Many countries do not use this shot yet have no trouble. This is also the shot that created a secondary illness - not clear on this as my research to this issue was several years ago.
However, there is something up with polio and I would look into it further if I had a kid and was required to give them this one. It's not required in SE Asia and I have not noticed anything about it being a problem here. Maybe they hide their sick people.
Yeah - not buying that one at all. No one gets this shot here - no one has this flu you fear so much. Many American do not get the shot. Many more Americans die from the flu shot than the flu on an annual basis. See cdc reports on this topic.
Notice - no vaccine. This illness is due to sanitation issues.
Not sure what name you refer to. I try not to live in fear regardless.
The water I drink now is as "clean" as I can get and comes from aquifers here. In the states I drank distilled. I will always go for the best source I can find and afford. Here at least the water is not brown nor does it smell bad like it did in California.
Yellow fever - I do not know about at all. However, if you visit South America or Africa, you need a shot to be able to visit other countries afterwards. This is why those two continents are last on my list. You do not need to fear this illness if you do not plan travel to either of those places.
Anything mosquito borne is suspect as the big guys are messing with the bugs these days. They just released a bunch in Northern California so expect outbreaks of something! Fear porn coming your way.
I'm mostly on the fight against obesity. The 800 thousand plus Americans who die with obesity on their death certificates are the people I work for. Also the millions more dying from obesity-related illnesses.
We all have to choose our causes. If you spend your days worrying about all of them, you will get nothing done.
These are government fake studies that are now being exposed.
Try reading the package insert warnings - all 70+ of them. This is where the truth is. You are reading the pablum for the masses. Then go to the vaccine court records and see what people win their cases for. Billions are paid out annually and not for one day of fever.
If you like your fetal cells and formaldehyde, you can keep them.
Vaccines are given away in the third world. The people do not pay for them. The governments pay for them through the World Bank which then holds the country prisoner. Definitely a racket but I do not know if capitalism is the culprit. I think it's more along the line of the de-population agenda.
"Vaccines are given away in the third world."
Millions die from lack of them in the third world
"If you like your fetal cells and formaldehyde, you can keep them"
Formaldehyde is produced naturally in the human body.
You need it to live
So yeah, i would rather have some than not
Enjoy your toxins! You make your govt proud.
I'm all for recommended vaccines, why not? Everybody should be able to decide for themselves and their children. When it comes to mandatory vaccination, though, I get quite a bit concerned. I don't force you to not vaccinate, don't force me to vaccinate. If you don't understand why, read this: https://steemit.com/freedom/@thename/freedom-and-control
EDIT: This was not directed at you, fitnfun. Replied to wrong user...
That's ok - I will read anyway. I totally agree with you about the mandate.
Thanks! Good to hear a reasonable voice in this debate... People on both sides tend to get very emotional. In the end it comes all down to how much we choose to live in fear, I guess. May Love cure our fear! Peace
Yes that is true. I only know of this because I went into the fb groups for it a couple of years ago for a research job. I joined a lot of the groups for parents with injured children to get information. I had to leave all of them as it was too heartbreaking for me to get the updates. The parents lose all their support and jobs - friends and family run away.
Then the parents spend their days at hospitals and with lawyers, social workers, and advocates. It's a terrible turn in anyone's life. Some of the groups work on detoxing the stuff out and I think there is hope in that direction, but it's sad it needs to be this way.
Have you heard of vitamin c mega-doses? Some people who are FORCED to vaccinate their children use high vitamin c doses as a form of damage control. Google Dr. Suzanne Humphreys if you are interested.
As long as you don't promote mandatory vaccination I respect your opinion and way of thinking. If you think it's alright to force others and initiate force against them, I would love to hear your arguments supporting that! Peace.
It's not for me - thankfully I am past that age. But yes, I have heard of high dose C helping many conditions in the various "natural care for illness" groups I'm in. In most cases you have to do it without your doctor, but it seems to help a lot of different issues.
Was not meant for you personally, just in general for people facing forced injections who don't know how to deal with it...
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busy working
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Sorry, I should have said "Go fuck your cousin." (again)
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Here Bernie tries to twist the truth and calls him an "incestuous criminal." Bernie is trying to convince the unknowing public that Noganoo is a sex criminal.
I'll save you a spot beside me in hell to torment you with incestuous dick art for all eternity.
I'm pretty sure (noganoo) was molested by somone in the church.
%20Steemit%20Chat.png)Incestuous Scumbag, I bet the abuse never even happened and you are trying to gain sympathy
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For those of you who are unaware @Noganoo was sexually abused when he was 5 years old. Bernie Sanders learned this from Fyrstikken whom Noganoo trusted and confided in and then was betrayed and slandered by Fyrstikken whom Noganoo brought to Steemit. Noganoo only requested that Fyrstikken send back the 10 Bitcoins he stole from SatoshiHorizon through his “altcoin investment fund.” Noganoo stood up against Bernie's flag abuse towards SeaBlue which caused the war that you are seeing today. Bernie swore to destroy Noganoo because Noganoo defended the helpless minnows on Steemit. Below are just a few of the terrible insults they have spoken against this Christian man. Please visit @Noganoo's blog and support and encourage him through these demonic attacks as his old friends have forsaken him. Not only do these people verbally attack Noganoo but they antagonize him until he responds in anger, then they sent the FBI to his house for "threatening." Noganoo has requested to all of the whales on steemit directly for them to speak to these 2 fraudsters and tell them to stop. Not a word was said in one year and now he is resorting to further action. The abuse will stop. If you have any information as to the identity or whereabouts of BernieSanders or Pfunk please contact [email protected]. There is a substantial reward and you can remain anonymous. Noganoo is unable to file a restraining order against these 2 until he finds their identity. BernieSanders is a pedophile and should not be rewarded with upvotes on Steemit.
First of all let's go back to before this all started. Noganoo was investigating the fraud and theft of 10s of millions of dollars of rewards by Donkeypong, Gavvet, Sauravrungta, HanshotFirst, Kevinwong, The-Alien, JrCornel, Sweetsssj and Knozaki2015 with their organization called "SteemGuild" where they used the Steemit Co-founder Ned's account to vote for themselves instead of the "minnows" they claimed to be supporting. Go look at all of their current account values and you can see that over 1 year ago Noganoo was right! They paid themselves multi-millions for only a couple months of curating on Steemit. Something the rest of us do for free. You can see that these people and their friends are the only people who have ever attacked Noganoo. They are trying to cover up their theft. If you go back on the blockchain you can see Noganoo's accounts previously supported most of these authors with his thousand bot voters early on in the platforms launch. https://steemd.com/@sweet-banana?page=17 Then Noganoo called out The-Alien for his common use of the word "Motherfucker" in his fiction stories that were upvoted by their "Steemguild" to number one on trending every day to "raise money for the guild." Fact is they stole millions of dollars. This rebuke prevented Noganoo from ever getting an upvote from that guild which controlled over 30% of the voting power on Steemit at the time.
Sorry, I should have said "Go fuck your cousin." (again)
Here is Pfunk attacking Noganoo's girlfriend.
Here Bernie tries to twist the truth and calls him an "incestuous criminal." Bernie is trying to convince the unknowing public that Noganoo is a sex criminal.
I'll save you a spot beside me in hell to torment you with incestuous dick art for all eternity.
I'm pretty sure (noganoo) was molested by somone in the church.
%20Steemit%20Chat.png)Incestuous Scumbag, I bet the abuse never even happened and you are trying to gain sympathy
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In many cases, the flu is not listed as the cause of death because death results from secondary conditions brought on by the flu. In any case, the CDC estimates that 12,000 to 56,000 people die each year from the flu in the U.S. alone (the numbers vary based on how severe the particular strain is that year). Most of the deaths happen among the very young and the very old. I couldn't find CDC numbers on the number of deaths caused by the vaccine. Have a link? The CDC recommends getting the vaccine which wouldn't really make sense if they issued reports indicating that the vaccine caused more deaths than the flu.
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Look at the pdf reports of the US Federal Vaccine Court for death stats. My wifi is bad right now or I would get it for you. This court was set up in the 80's when the others courts got too crowded with all the lawsuits for the many new vaccines. The court reports their stats to congress and you find them at their site. They pay out $1 billion each year for vaccine injury and death of all types.
This year, in my fb groups for chronic disease, I'm seeing a lot of posts about shoulder and upper body paralysis from this year's flu shot batch. Much more than in prior years. This is one of the categories of injury the court pays out for.
If flu is a contributing factor in death, it will be listed on the death cert. Most us jurisdictions list up to 5 causes of death on their certs. Nothing about the cdc makes sense unless you are following the money. I wonder why no one dies in other countries from these annual flus, but Americans are known to be a weak herd. This is why they need 70+ childhood vaccines on the us schedule and very few other countries have more than 20.
I follow obesity as a cause of death. This cause is attributed to somewhere between 400K-800K us deaths per year. The flu deaths you quote seem high to me (can't look now) but they are still a drop in the bucket.
Another good thing to read is the US Agenda 2030 report and especially its predictictions about us de-population. It seems the country is well on its way right now.
Not sure what you mean about flu deaths not occurring in other countries. There are 250,000 to 500,000 (even higher by more recent estimates) deaths each year worldwide from the flu. Most of those are not in the U.S. (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p1213-flu-death-estimate.html)
I think I found the report you are talking about (https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/monthly-stats-nov-2018.pdf). It indicates that there were less than 3,000 claims (not all of which were compensated) in a decade. That's less than 300 per year and much lower than the annual death rate from the flu in the U.S. The grand total for claims for ALL vaccines was around 5,500 over a decade. Given that there were more than 3.1 billion doses (of all vaccines) given over that timespan, that's an incredibly low number. Those numbers were from 2006-2016. That's also for all claims, not just deaths and I suspect that most are not deaths (though I didn't see that kind of breakdown in the report at a glance).
"Depopulation" in the U.S. (not that population is actually declining at this time but growth is slowing) has much more to do with lower birth rates than anything else. On average, people live much longer today than they did 100 years ago.
Vaccines are not 100% safe. Nothing is. Things designed for safety can kill you (airbags for instance). But on average, they reduce death and injury not increase it. I think the numbers bear that out about as conclusively as they can. Arguing against vaccination is a bit like arguing against the use of seatbelts. It's true that both CAN kill you but it's much more likely that not using them will.
I agree that obesity is a massive problem, largely due to our relatively poor diet. No doubt that also contributes to other diseases like cancer too.
You have the wrong report. The annual reports are found at the US Federal Vaccine Court site. The report you have is in contrast to that of the court itself and is another reason to distrust all this govt nonsense.
If you like your vaccines, you can keep your vaccines and have more. There is big money in the carnage they cause and so you get them for free. Just realize that you are the human trial. And children in the us are the real trial as more are added each year.
The us population native born population is declining now. Check the death stats for the top 20 chronic diseases and all are increasing dramatically. Birth rates are tanking. Fertility is tanking.
Most people will not see this before it is too late, if it is not already. Why do you think all the immigration is needed? The UN report I referred to above says it is required and needs to increase fast.
Fertility isn't tanking for some sinister reason, people are choosing to have less children and have been for some time. It's unsurprising that birth control reduces fertility. However, according to current U.N. data, 50% more people are born in North America each year than die (https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic-social/products/dyb/documents/dyb2016/table01.pdf).
I still can't find the report you are talking about. I provided my link, where's yours? Wikipedia indicates numbers similar to what I already provided. I also found the web page for "U.S. Court of Federal Claims Opinions" where you could search on vaccine related cases. Searched over a one year period (I picked 2014 at random) and found approximately 500 cases which is in line with the numbers I already provided.
I also found this link (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/vaccines-trial-us-court-separates-fact-fiction) that indicates that there have only been a total of approximately 16,000 petitions to the vaccine court for the entirety of its existence (since 1988).
"Since its first case in 1988, the vaccine court has adjudicated more than 16,000 petitions and dismissed two-thirds of them. "
That's, on average, about 400 cases a year (probably a little more because data for the last year or two is not complete). But again, that's in line with all the other numbers I found from all the sources I've been able to find. Federal court, CDC, science magazine, wikipedia. So far, you've only alluded to a report that doesn't seem to exist.
Again, not saying that vaccines can't do harm but simple math will tell you that they are more likely to prevent injury and death than to cause it. Just like seatbelts.
So far, the only evidence you have provided that the above isn't true is an unnamed facebook group and a claim that a report exists somewhere. Why should any reasonable person believe that over all of the evidence above? This isn't about "loving" vaccines, it's abound making educated decisions based on the best available evidence.
Just keep taking your shots and and commenting on old posts and I'm sure it will work well for you. Check back for stats each year and see if you still have such rosy beliefs.
If you want to look into fb groups, search for "vaccine." The stories in there are gut wrenching and might give you a new perspective.
"educated decisions based on the best available evidence." <<< Your overlords are providing this to you. Enjoy!
I used largely the same sources you CLAIMED you were using but never actually provided. Vaccine court, UN, etc. Thus far you have made dangerous claims with absolutely 0 evidence. All I have asked is for you to provide your evidence and you have consistently refused or been unable to do so. People can read this conversation and make their own judgements.
I suppose you can argue that the CDC is participating in a vast conspiracy to deceive people about vaccines but the number of vaccine related petitions in Federal court is a little harder to hide and this was the basis of your whole claim. The number is ~16,000 in 30 years. A little over 500 claims a year (and I doubt every single claim is legitimate...in fact 2/3 were rejected by the court). Still waiting for you to provide a link or some other evidence that a report exists that says otherwise.
I have no doubt I can find gut wrenching stories on facebook somewhere. That doesn't change the statistics. Actual cases of vaccine injury are tragic but extremely rare. You know what there are more tragic stories from? Death and injury from vaccine preventable diseases.
You have your opinion and govt tales, I have the stories of people I know and "hidden" stats you don't care about anyway. Somehow the human race survived before all these shots, but by all means, be sure to get as many as you can. I'm sure if you visit your doctor's office there are some you have missed, so be sure to catch up.
"Hidden" stats. Are you being serious? Why not bring those stats into the light? Still waiting for your evidence. Good thing I'm not holding my breath. You yourself claimed data from the vaccine court proved your point so not only were you relying on 'government tales' but on ones that don't even exist. "Look at the pdf reports of the US Federal Vaccine Court for death stats" you said. Is your wi-fi any better yet?
Somehow the human race survived before electricity, running water, sanitation, etc. too. Doesn't mean we should go back to that. It isn't rational to base judgements on made up information and anecdotal stories over hard numbers. You still have provided 0 information that would indicate anything you are saying is not a complete fiction.
Where is that report you claim exists? Still waiting...
Since you prefer anecdotes as evidence, here's a few of those:
http://www.fighttheflufoundation.org/faces-of-the-flu/
https://www.facebook.com/endfluenzaproject
https://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2016/12/my-daughter-died-from-a-vaccine-preventable-disease/
https://thestir.cafemom.com/parenting_news/215396/healthy-toddler-died-from-flu/257764/he_died_rapidly_only_two_days_after_showing_general_flu_symptoms_it_was_christmas_morning/2
https://shotofprevention.com/2018/01/22/young-hockey-players-death-a-flu-warning/
...and these are just from the flu.
I wonder if these people followed advice from people like you?
Why is it so important for you to argue with me? Just get your shots and be happy. Hopefully you are right and will live a long and healthy life.
No i barely have wifi and will stop answering now.
I'm not taking "shots" and it takes two to argue.
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